Talk:Chief Keef/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jacedc (talk · contribs) 20:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this article for GA status. Generally what I like to do is fix minor things myself, but anything that I think might be better to discuss or have the nominator fix I'll leave here. Once all issues are addressed I'll leave a final GA checklist and act accordingly.

Lead

• Keef began finding success in his music career while under house arrest, as his music videos were met with local acclaim. Perhaps add "Keef began finding early success", if that's accurate. Because right now there's no time of reference. Also, "success" is relative. Perhaps elaborate on that? Was it just general popularity among his neighborhood friends or did something happen of note that has a significant impact on his career? Same thing with "local acclaim".

 Done Soulbust (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• His increasing popularity led to a brief bidding war among labels, and ultimately Keef signed a major record deal with Interscope Records; later signing with 1017 Brick Squad. Awkward sentence. Perhaps change to His increasing popularity led to a brief bidding war among labels, and while Keef first signed with Interscope Records he ultimately signed with 1017 Brick Squad.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Keef would also become the CEO of his own record label, Glory Boyz Entertainment, later developing into Glo Gang. I'd suggest a narrative change here. Something like Keef later became the CEO of his own record label, Glory Boyz Entertainment, which later developed into Glo Gang.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Since he rose to fame, I suggest to generally stay away from words like "rose". It's a bit dramatic for an encyclopedia. Maybe Since becoming famous instead.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

That's all for the lead. I will review the following sections IAM. Jacedc (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

§ Early life

• Not sure why citation 3 (BET) that follows citation 2 (Wired) is necessary.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Citations 4 and 5 are duplicates.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Citation 7 is unnecessary (Chicago-Sun Times).

 Not done Cozart dropped out of Dyett High School at age 15. Citation 4 (Interview Magazine) supports that Keef dropped out at age 15. Citation 5 (formerly 7; Chicago Sun-Times) supports that Keef went to Dyett High School. Citation 4 does not support the Dyett part and Citation 5 does not support what age he dropped out at, so I have to use both. I'll try to elaborate on this sentence, since Keef has commented on dropping out of high school. Soulbust (talk) 06:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. My bad. Thanks for the clarification. Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• I don't think splitting up the paragraph is necessary.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• After an early legal issue, in which rumors of Keef being killed in a shootout with police ensued, Keef was arrested and charged with unlawful use of a weapon. This needs elaboration. "Early legal issue"? What happened?

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• The first and second use of citation 8 in the second paragraph is unnecessary, as the same citation appears in the following sentence.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• much of his early fan base was composed of high school students in the area would change "was composed of" to "consisted of".

 Done Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

That's all for this section. More sections to follow. Jacedc (talk) 20:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

§ Music career

• Subsections follow an improper format. Instead of § 2011–2013 Early years, Finally Rich, and subsequent mixtapes it should be § Early years, Finally Rich, and subsequent mixtapes (2011–2013).

 Done Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• Full-stops are needed at the end of all of the sentences in the thumbnails.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• § 2011–2013: Early years, Finally Rich, and subsequent mixtapes
  • Is the rapper going to be referred to as Keef or Cozart? Either way, it needs to be consistent throughout the whole article.

 Done Standardized the article to refer to consistently refer him as Keef. Soulbust (talk) 06:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Once his house arrest ended, WorldStarHipHop released a video of a child hysterically celebrating Keef's release from house arrest, prompting Keef to achieve further virality. Sounds as if the child's celebration made Keef motivated to achieve virality, which isn't the case, I'm assuming. Would change to something like ... which afforded Keef further virality.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Citations 8 and 9 appear a lot alongside other sources, which to me either indicates those sources could be swapped out with better ones or the organization of the prose needs to be redone. It's better to see citations only appear once or twice in a single paragraph. See if you can reorganize the prose to use the citations less frequently (e.g. gather as much information before adding the ref tag).
  • Citation 16 (Rap Fix/MTV) is redundant/unnecessary.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • David Drake of Spin writes that in 2012, Keef, "suddenly shot up out of obscurity." First of all, this sentence strikes me as rather random/plugged. This needs to be rewritten in order to better correspond with the previous sentences. Something like, In response to these events, David Drake of Spin ... Lastly, I would change "writes" to past-tense ("wrote") and remove the commas arround "Keef". So something like In response to these events, Spin's David Drake wrote that in 2012 Keef "suddenly shot up out of obscurity."

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • In the summer of 2012, Keef was in the middle of a bidding war with many labels to sign him Sounds as if Keef was bidding on himself if he was in the middle of the war. Would change to "Keef was the subject of a bidding war between many labels ..."

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • The deal was worth six million dollars over a three album layout In the rest of the article, large numerical amounts are written in numbers, so either way, this needs to be changed for consistency The deal was worth $6,000,000 over a three album layout.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • with Reed stating, "Hold My Liquor is just heartbreaking, and particularly coming from where it's coming from ... Hold My Liquor needs to be in single quotes, since it's inside a double quote. Even though that may not be what the original source's quote does, minor corrections are allowed and in this case necessary.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Following his October 2013 jail term, he began working on his second studio album and a biopic. Seems to me like something such as a jail term is worthy of note/elaboration. Doesn't really fit as a simple passive mention.

 Done I added "(see Legal issues section below)" rather than an elaboration in that section. I'm not sure if you'd prefer the latter instead, but let me know which is better Soulbust (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

That's it for this section as far as a once-over goes. I will probably revisit this later on in the review. One thing I want to say is the organization of the sources is sloppy. I would highly suggest using shortened foot notes, or at least listing named ref tags inside of a {{reflist}} template. Additionally, most of the {{cite web}} templates aren't completed. Many parameters that could be filled are missing, or some of them are misplaced. For instance, |publisher=''XXL'' should be replaced with |website=[[XXL (magazine)|XXL]] |publisher=[[Townsquare Media]]. The website parameter italicizes its content by default, so no need for the double-parentheses. Plus, links can be provided for both the magazine and its publisher. Just one example. Jacedc (talk) 21:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

• § 2014–present: Bang 3, Nobody, and The Cozart
  • 2014 marked a year in which Keef would begin experimenting with the production of his music, which Meaghan Garvey of The Fader noted as being fitting for Keef, as the rapper has, "always been more concerned ... This sentence is kinda wordy, plus the comma after "has" is unnecessary. Would change to Keef began experimenting with the production of his music in 2014, which Meaghan Garvey of The Fader noted as being fitting for the artist who has "always been more concerned ...

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • ... which as the title suggests, is the third installment to his Bang series ... unnecessary.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • This section is littered with a bunch of exact dates. I would suggest considering dropping the days in favor of just months, and then also combining the first paragraph with the second and dropping the year as well, as it had already been mentioned that it was in 2014 that he started experimenting with music. Plus the section is entitled under 2014.

 Done I kept the exact dates for release dates of mixtapes and the death of Mario "Blood Money" Hess

• • The article's documentary narrative needs to go. "Keef would go on to state", "Keef would later release", "The artist would later announce". It's not an appropriate choice of narrative for an encyclopedic article. Keep it simple instead of wordy. (I.e. "Keef stated", "Keef later released", "The artist later announced", etc.) See here.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 21:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

• • I'd change and that he himself was also disappointed in both to and that he was also disappointed in both ...

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Keef revealed that he would release a EP before his second studio album Bang 3 Aside from the narrative issue that I explained early in the use of "would", "a EP" is improper English. "An EP"...

 Done Jacedc (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Bang 3, entitled Bang 4, as a preview of sorts. Either drop "of sorts" or replace it with a word/phrase that conveys a more encyclopedic tone.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Glo Gang artist and cousin Mario "Blood Money" Hess comma needs to go before "cousin" in this case. (I know I said I'd fix minor things myself but it's late and I'm tired of juggling between preview and edit mode, plus, in the event that some of these things do need discussion it'll be useful to give everyone an opportunity before it's changed).
  • Young Chop criticized Interscope's decision to drop Chief. Again, either Keef or Cozart.
  • Citations 44 and 45 appear to be redundant.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • In November 2014, Chief announced either Keef or Cozart, again.
  • "Glo Producer album," no need for the comma.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Citations 51 and 52 appear to be redundant.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • I have no idea why citations 48, 54, and 55 are given for a single quote. Perhaps if you intended to use those for the points preceding the quote, an elaboration on each of them is in order.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Citations 56 and 57 appear to be redundant.

 Done Although they are now citations 52 and 53, they were redundant but I expanded this topic a bit to incorporate 53 in a non-redundantģ way Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Just a mid-review note, make sure there are no duplicate citations like I found before. Make sure to use those name parameters!

§ Other ventures

• Glo Gang
  • The first use of citation 19 in this section is unnecessary as citation 19 follows the following sentence.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • The current and former artists list is unnecessary. If any of the listed artists are particularly notable to the record label then they should be added to the prose, with the reasons listed why attributed to reliable sources.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 06:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

§ Personal life

• File:Chicago-Illinois-USA-skyline-day.jpg - not sure why the inclusion of this file is necessary.

 Removed Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• personal artist of sorts. same thing as before in regard to the use of "of sorts".

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Citations 82, 83, and 84 are all redundant. Consolidate the prose, use a single citation, two if necessary.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• On July 12, 2015, Marvin Carr, better known by his stage name, Capo, a longtime member of Keef's Glo Gang label, was shot and killed in a drive-by shooting ... this and the following paragraph doesn't really belong in the personal life section. I would suggest moving this to his musical career section, then renaming the header to simply "History".

 Done I reloacted the information to the Music Career section, but are you asking me to rename the "Music career" section to "History" or are you asking something else? Soulbust (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

§ Legal issues

• "delinquent," comma goes outside of quotation mark as it's quoting a term, not a sentence. He isn't a delinquent-comma, rather, a just the delinquent part.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Citations 88 and 89 are redundant.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Cozart scored a victory in court, when the judge allowed him to remain free over prosecutors request that he be jailed "scored a victory" is improper language.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Keef was supposed to perform at the IndigO2 Arena in London this past December 29, 2012 but never showed "this past December" was in 2014, as of 2015, and that will change.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• The first use of citation 99 following the above sentence can be removed since it's again used in the following sentence.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• On October 15, 2013, Keef returned to jail for a 20-day sentence due to a probation violation. The probation violation was due to testing positive for marijuana. to On October 15, 2013, Keef returned to jail for a 20-day sentence due to a probation violation after testing positive for marijauana. God this kid likes trouble. I digress...

 Done Soulbust (talk) 07:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Despite the advance, the lawsuit further alleges that as a result of Cozart's failure to appear, the concert had to be cancelled. Citation needed.

 Done I moved citation 101 (formerly 108) to the end of the paragraph, so that as with prior examples, the citation doesn't need to be used in previous sentences of the same paragraph. Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

§ Image

• Make sure to find and replace (ctrl+F) all of the ” with " The latter is easily-typed and standard, whereas the former isn't easily-typed and is non-standard.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• This section has multiple improper uses of commas. I'm thinking this article will need a copyedit before it's passed.
• has been referred to as an "antagonist" of sorts to Keef's more gangsta-rap persona. —

 Done I'm assuming you were suggesting the "of sorts" part of this sentence be removed. Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Correct. Jacedc (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

• Additionally, Chief Keef is often referred to as, "Sosa," by himself, his peers, and the media. Aside from the unnecessary commas, this sentence should go somewhere towards the top of this section as someone is quoted as calling him Sosa. I, for one, was confused until I read this. Explanations should follow an order.

 Done Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Keef responded on September 5 with a tweet threatening Lupe Fiasco If Keef later asserted the tweet was inauthentic then this should be changed to something like A tweet from Keef's account threatening Lupe Fiasco was posted on September 5 ...

 Done Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• the beef between the two groups was later seemingly ended change beef to feud

 Done Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Seems like the last paragraph of the hip hop feuds section should go in the Instagram section.

 Not done I reworded and better explained the situation to keep it in the "Hip Hop feuds" section Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Reviewer comments

Okay, I've reviewed the prose as much as I can. A lot of unnecessary commas stand out, as well as grammar/punctuation errors. This article will definitely need a WP:GCE. Additionally, I reviewed what I had to work with, which wasn't much. I'll give the article seven days before passing or failing, during which I will review the sources for reliability. However, as I mentioned before, I already know the sources will need to be reorganized. A lot of redundant/unnecessary and duplicate citations stand out, as well as incomplete cite templates. It's hard to wade through all of the ref tags in the article, so I suggest either converting to shortened footnotes or putting the actual ref tags within the {{reflist}} template and referencing the names in the prose. If that was unclear I'll help with the technical aspects of the ref tags, but as for the organization of sources go, I'm afraid I can't help with that as it's going to be very involved. Hopefully with some rigorous help this article can reach GA status. I'm putting it On hold for now. Good luck, Jacedc (talk) 18:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Comments

Hi! Thank you for beginning to review this article for GA assessment. I have a few comments, and will likely make some more later.

• About the Interscope and 1017 Brick Squad suggestion, I might reword it an other way than you suggest because he was signed to both simultaneously for a period of time.
• About standardizing the article by either referring to him as Cozart or Keef, I don't quite understand how that would work, because in some situations it would make more sense to refer to him as Cozart (especially in the personal life and legal issues sections) and in others it would be more fitting to use Keef (career and image sections), but if it is only one for the entire article I think it would be best to go with Keef.
• I will be making edits to fit your suggestions soon, thanks :)

Soulbust (talk) 00:45, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

One: Yes, feel free to reword it however you want to. It's just a little awkward as it currently is.

Two: I definitely think it needs to be consistent. At least within a section. For instance, the first paragraph in the first subsection of the musical career section uses "Keef" and "Cozart" back-to-back. That's mainly what I'm talking about. If you feel you must split it up from section-to-section, that's fine, as long as it's logical enough for the average/casual reader to pick up on.

I will get to reviewing the rest of the article probably tomorrow. I'm guessing you'll have enough work to do until then. I've read the whole thing now I'm going to go back and nit-pick it a little bit more, leaving comments here. Jacedc (talk) 03:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• So, it took me a few hours, but I was able to address most of your concerns and suggestions. The one major thing left for me to do is move the references into the actual reflist, and change use the ref names in the prose. But it's really late for me and I've gotten tired, so I'll work on that soon. Thanks Soulbust (talk) 08:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Good work! Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I've done another quick glance over the article and I've already reviewed the sources for reliability. Since the only thing really left is the organization of sources and some minor prose/grammatical issues I'll give this another 7 days before passing or failing; can't believe it's already been 7 days since I initially put it on hold :P While I do think this article could stand to have a WP:GCE, there's nothing super major that stands out to me anymore, so I'll leave that up to the discretion of the nominator. One other thing I would like to comment on is maybe cutting back on all of the images of other artists; a couple are okay, but this currently has five. I would personally suggest nixing the Lupe Fiasco picture, Gucci Mane picture, and the Kanye West picture. It'd be one thing if it were a picture of them sitting in the studio together or something, or maybe just posing together, but these feel rather random and out of place. Jacedc (talk) 15:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, another thing I'll bring up, the text starting after In December 2012 ... in the Early life section I think should go in the Early years, Finally Rich, and subsequent mixtapes (2011–2013) section. Firstly because that stuff isn't really about his early life, rather his early career, and the information is more or less repeated in the latter section. This leaves the early life section pretty short, so I would suggest renaming "Music career" to "Life and career", then adding a third-level "Early life" subsection under that. It's up to you how you want to handle that, though. Jacedc (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done Soulbust (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Great job so far. Only a few things left! I recently struck out all of the  Done points and double-checked the corrections. This article's really close. :) Jacedc (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

• Citation 48 is broken. Jacedc (talk) 23:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

• I think the first few sentences in § Person life should be moved to § Early life. User:Jacedc (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Final review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   I think the first few sentences in § Person life should be moved to § Early life.

 Done User:Jacedc (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

2. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

3. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

4. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

5. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

6. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Congratulations, this article is passed. User:Jacedc (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)