Talk:Chicken Marengo

Latest comment: 6 years ago by 124.171.223.16 in topic Historical Reference not Folklore

Too slow Chicken Marengo is an antipodean colloquialism, or possibly Edwardsism, that has its derivation in the actions of the Austrian General Melas at the Battle of Marengo (1800).

This sounds extremely suspect. Does anyone have a source for this? Googling for the phrase of course only returns results quoting Red Dwarf. --Waywocket 12:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Removed that phrase, due to overwhelming response.--Waywocket 01:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Litterature

edit

An expert report on that dish and the legends related to it presents Andrew Uffindell, Napoleon's Chicken Marengo: Creating the Myth of the Emperor's Favourite Dish (Frontline Books 2012) ISBN 9781848325784 213.71.6.130 (talk) 07:29, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Historical Reference not Folklore

edit

In Alexander Dumas, The Last Cavalier written in 1870 a reference is made. Dumas has a special expertise in that he is son to one of Napolean's top generals and met Napolean on at least two occasions. He does not include tomato in his detailed description of the dish. Page 6, regarding breakfast, "One of the dishes was almost always chicken prepared with oil and onions that he had been served as well on the morning of the Battle of Marengo, and since that day the dish has been called chicken (sic) Marengo." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.149.40.6 (talk) 16:31, 26 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Further, the article claims

"According to Alan Davidson (diplomat and food writer) the probability of tomatoes being available at the time were pretty remote, but history is explicit in its chronology that tomatoes were introduced into southern Europe post 700 AD"

Wildly at odds with the Wikipedia Tomato entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Spanish_distribution Which indicates European use from c1500 AD. Against which "post 700 AD" is hopelessly imprecise, inconsistent with the Tomato article, and simply not credible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.223.16 (talk) 21:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

Logic problem

edit

Given that the first published recipe doesn't include tomatoes, does it really matter that it's unlikely the chef would be able to source tomatoes at the time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evgeni Sergeev (talkcontribs) 08:09, 23 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

"Recipe" section

edit

The interesting quotation in the "recipe" section doesn't actually present a recipe that has anything to do with the description of the dish. Why is it here? Or perhaps, 'if this section is called recipe, why doesn't it have a real recipe?'--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

The recipe calls for a deciliter of wine and in parentheses 7 ounces. A deciliter is about 3.5 ounces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.213.212.246 (talk) 15:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)Reply