Talk:Chess in Armenia

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sasata (talk · contribs) 01:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I will review this article. Comments in a few days. Sasata (talk) 01:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I just read through the article and thought it was quite well done. I have some minor comments and suggestions below. While these are being addressed, I'll check through my New in Chess back issues and see if there might be some more to add; I seem to recall an article about chess in Armenia, and they usually have pretty good Olympiad coverage, so there might be some extra tidbits in issues covering the years they won or placed 2nd. Sasata (talk) 04:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the review. Yes, please, if you can find anything I'll be glad to add it to the article. --Երևանցի ^talk 05:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• "According to the same book, until the mid-20th century" we probably don't need the first part as it is clear from the citation where the information is coming from

• removed "According to the same book"

• link chess competition

• done

• do we know who won the first Armenian women's championship?

• yes we do! added

• link soviet championship

• done

• best-in-the-world doesn't need to be hyphenated

• fixed

• all of the unlinked olympiads should be linked: 2002, 2004, 2008, 2012

• linked

• why link math but not history? Probably neither need a link.

• delinked

• "over the age of 6." 6->six per MOS

• fixed

• "Over $1.5 million were spent" 1.5 million what?

• it has the dollar sign in front of it, doesn't it?

• Sorry, I was confused by "were", which led me to believe a word was missing. It has since been corrected. Sasata (talk) 17:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

• link Defence Minister

• linked

• the cited source does not confirm that the Armenian championships were usually round robins

• couldn't find a source, removed

• Grand Master is written as one word per our article

• fixed

• "He is the only Armenian player to have participated in a Candidates Tournament." source?

• I'm pretty sure he was. You can take a look at Candidates Tournament article (from 1991 on) and see that Aronian was the only Armenian player to be there, but if this is an issue, I can remove it, no problem.

• I think we should remove it if it can't be sourced. Sasata (talk) 03:59, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

• the three sentences on Levon Aronian don't need to go in a separate sub-subsection

• what section should I merge it with? "Independent Armenia"? or just leave it where it is and remove the section header?

• I think just removing the subsection header would be fine. Sasata (talk) 17:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

• done

• the caption to the Armenia vs Azerbaijan photo should probably indicate that it Aronian vs Radjabov on the nearest board (especially since that's not visible in the board sign)

• done

• the wikilinking in the charts is irregular, for example, Aronian's name is linked every single time it appears (is that necessary?), while other players seem to be linked once each; I think it's not necessary to link the country names (per WP:OVERLINK)

• done

• might be good to include that Armenia is ranked fourth by country rank of their top 10 players

• done

• "FIDE, the World Chess Federation, lists 24 active Armenian grandmasters, 4 woman grandmasters, 17 international masters and 4 woman international masters." this statement should probably be accompanied by "As of 2013" (or use the {{as of}} template)

• done

• specify that chess is compulsory for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders? (per here, all confirmed here))

• done

• mention the "the government provides top players with handsome salaries and perks" (also per last source, and similar from here)

• done

• how about mentioning the two chess shows, "Chess 64" and "Chess World"

• done

• who has won the Armenian championship the most times?

• Genrikh Kasparyan has; added

• is Sargsyan the President or the "honorary chairman" of the chess federation?

• the Chess Federation website says he's the president [1]

• do any of the major Armenian newspapers have chess columns?

• I don't think they have columns for chess, but when I was in Armenia I remember that almost all newspapers regularly printed about chess. --Երևանցի ^talk 19:07, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I've had a look through my magazines, but unfortunately, couldn't find extra information that should be included. I was thinking that perhaps mention could be made of Asrian's death in 2008 right before the Olympiad, and how this event spurred his teammates to win another olympic title. This would fit in better in there were some explanatory text in the Chess Olympiads subsection ... something to think about if you are intending to develop this article further. Other things that might be worthy to have in the article are mention of any regular, recurring GM events played in the country. Is there a Tigran Petrosian memorial every year? The Asrian memorial is now in its sixth year. Does Armenia have a yearly open championship? If so, what's the average turnout? Is the Chess Academy of Armenia notable?

Overall, I think the article meets the GA criteria. All images have appropriate licenses. Spotchecking of several online sources revealed no problems with close paraphrasing or other issues. I'll be happy to promote once the unsourced statement is removed. Sasata (talk) 03:59, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I removed the unsourced sentence. I will probably expand the article later, when I feel like editing it again :) Thank you for your review! --Երևանցի ^talk 01:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! Promoting article now. Sasata (talk) 02:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• "over the age of 6." 6->six per MOS. From MOS:NUMERAL: "Ages are typically stated in figures, unless it is a large, approximate quantity: an 8-year-old child, the 69-million-year-old fossil." So I'm confused. Please explain. Thx. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 05:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• Forgot about that line! Will fix. Sasata (talk) 06:47, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• "FIDE, the World Chess Federation, lists 24 active Armenian grandmasters, 4 woman grandmasters, 17 international masters and 4 woman international masters." Not sure now the numerals are consistent w/ MOS:NUMERAL. Any help to understand, thanks. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 06:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: we may write either 5 cats and 32 dogs or five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs." Sasata (talk) 06:47, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I think I understand. (What I was thinking was that since "4"s are normally spelled, and "24" & "17" can go either way since two or less words, then spelling out all of them would be the best course.) It seems you're using the first occuring number, "24", as precedent for the rest of the sentence!? Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:36, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Comments to Good Article nomination

First, I'd like to congratulate all editors involved in the improvement of this article. That's what wikipedia is really about: hard work of committed editors! We can see a lot of this here. Unfortunatelly, I have no time in the next few days to read the article carefully and do my own research to confirm/dismiss any dubious point or improve it. I'll just draw some comments about my first reading. A) Does Chess_in_Armenia#Team_records's section needs a lead? I think something could be write about armenian participation in previous events at soviet team. Something like, "Until 1992, armenian players participated in soviet teams. Best results were X player participating at Y year achiving Z results at board K, etc". B) I assume the article is about chess in general so, how about others forms of chess as compositions, correspondence or variants? I read at Armenian Chess Federation that Henrik Kasparian could be considered one of the greatest composers ever so, maybe some research could help to expand the article. I definitively think this article can be promoted to GA status and those minor points could be take in consideration to a FAC process. Regards!OTAVIO1981 (talk) 14:46, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I will definitely take them into consideration. --Երևանցի ^talk 14:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

To-do list

• mention of Asrian's death in 2008 right before the Olympiad, and how this event spurred (helped) his teammates to win another Olympic title. This would fit in better in there were some explanatory text in the Chess Olympiads subsection
• Is there a Tigran Petrosian memorial every year?
• The Asrian memorial is now in its sixth year. Does Armenia have a yearly open championship? If so, what's the average turnout?
• Is the Chess Academy of Armenia notable?
  • http://www.chessacademy.am/

• Does Chess_in_Armenia#Team_records's section needs a lead? I think something could be write about armenian participation in previous events at soviet team. Something like, "Until 1992, armenian players participated in soviet teams. Best results were X player participating at Y year achiving Z results at board K, etc".
• I assume the article is about chess in general so, how about others forms of chess as compositions, correspondence or variants? I read at Armenian Chess Federation that Henrik Kasparian could be considered one of the greatest composers ever so, maybe some research could help to expand the article. I definitively think this article can be promoted to GA status and those minor points could be take in consideration to a FAC process.

http://www.armchess.am/tpbphototigran.htm --Երևանցի ^talk 03:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Links

• https://web.archive.org/web/20140919180426/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lubomir-kavalek/armenia-wins-chess-olympi_b_1868618.html Lubomir Kavalek
• https://web.archive.org/web/20140919175908/http://izvestia.ru/news/368124 Izvestia
• http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/05/checkered-history-why-armenia-dominates-chess-world New Statesman
• 2007 Kramnik vs Aronian in Yerevan http://en.chessbase.com/post/rapid-che-match-kramnik-vs-aronian-begins-today
• http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/features/the-lion-and-the-tiger Prospect (magazine)

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