Talk:Charudes

Anyone got an etymology for this? It probably is not "the hard men" or "the tough guys" because if the Horder are the Charudes, we have to account for the presence of the u, which was never there in the etymology of "hard."

Citations

"Whether the Horder arrived in Norway in more remote prehistoric times or intruded there in the age of Germanic migrations, the name goes on to acquire a conspicuous pedigree. As an ethnic name it changes to Hardingar, which also becomes a family name, Harding. In the 9th century, King Harding rules over the independent kingdom of Hardanger. Vikings depart from there to the Danelaw in Anglo-Saxon Britain via Scotland. Their Anglo-Saxon name is Heardingas. From Hardanger they also sail to Iceland, where they became the Haddings. In German mythology, the name is Hartung. And finally, the name comes into the modern English-speaking world as Harding."

I believe the whole section above is out of place without citations. Slight resemblance between names does not mean they share a common background.St12357 (talk) 10:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not they are the Charudes, the Hörðar whose name is preserved in 'Hordaland' probably get their name from Proto-Germanic *haruðo:z, which has been etymologized as 'warriors, heroes'; this is from Jørn Sandnes & Ola Stemshaug, Norsk Stadnamnleksikon, 4th edn., Det Norske Samlaget, Oslo, 1997, s.n. Hordaland, citing C.J.S. Marstrander, Rosselandsteinen (Universitetet i Bergen. Årbok. Hist.-ant. rekke, Nr. 3, 1952), Bergen 1951, s. 41-42. The Etymology section of the article offers another reasonable possibility, possibly supported by more recent research. Sandnes & Stemshaug s.n. Hardanger say that O. Rygh, M. Olsen, A. Noreen, O. Skulerud, and V. Jansson derived 'Hardanger' from the same source, the failure of u-umlaut being explained by early transfer of the stress to the second element (Old Norse -angr 'bay, fjord'), but that more recently P. Hovda (Maal og Minne 1955, pp. 126-30) has rejected this explanation and derived the first element of the place-name from ON harðr 'hard', a derivation accepted by Ø. Frøysadal (Namn og nemne 1992-93, pp. 41-43). At best, therefore, a connection between the first elements of 'Hordaland' and 'Hardanger' is unproven. In Old Icelandic the people of Hardanger (OIc Harðangr) were Harðengir (Cleasby & Vigfusson, Icelandic-English Dictionary s.v. harðr), not Hardingar or Harðingar. The Haddings are OIc Haddingjar, a name related to OIc haddr 'long hair (of a woman)'; this is from PGmc. *hazdaz and hence not related to *haruðo:z or to the 'hard' word (< PGmc. *harðu-). I've therefore deleted the whole paragraph.Talan Gwynek (talk) 01:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice one. St12357 (talk) 17:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Intro and BG / RG

I have rewritten the intro and most of the section based on Bellum Gallicum and the Res Gestae. I did not touch the rest of the article, although I find its rather unencyclopaedic style unfortunate. What is more critical, however, is the complete lack of references / sources for the following two sections. They reek well of WP:OR and need the work of someone who at least can get their hands on a copy of the RGA or on some Scandinavian local history. Trigaranus (talk) 00:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

The Danish city of Arhus was founded by the Charudes

The Charudes as founders of the Danish city of Arhus? In the Wikipedia article for the city it's described as founded by vikings in the eight century. Perhaps a more tentative approach to the claim may be in order.

East or West Jutland?

THe lead says:

on the east coast of the Cimbrian peninsula (see Hardsyssel)

However, the Cimbrian peninsula is what today is called Jutland, and Hardsyssel is/was on the West coast of Jutland. Which is it? Nø (talk) 06:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)