Talk:Charlotte Harbor (estuary)

Problems

The article states that the estuary extends to Winter Haven, which is way too far inland and elevated. I understand the paucity of reliable sources, but I would like to see a reliable source for that. And, please, can someone find a better image for the top of the page. That generic stream mouth image is very misleading. -- Donald Albury 12:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The article also confuses the size of the watershed with the size of the estuary. -- Donald Albury 12:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I am proposing merging Charlotte Harbor (southwest Florida bay) into this article (Charlotte Harbor (estuary)) because "estuary" seems the more appropriate disambiguation term, per its use by various government agencies:

• "Charlotte Harbor Watershed". Retrieved 4 January 2015.
• "Charlotte Harbor National Estuary Program". Retrieved 4 January 2015.
• "Charlotte Harbor (NEP Profile)". Retrieved 4 January 2015.
• "Charlotte Harbor Estuary" (PDF). Retrieved 4 January 2015.
• "Charlotte Harbor". Retrieved 4 January 2015.

Charlotte Harbor (southwest Florida bay) has considerably more material than this article, but I think the name should conform to that used by government and environmental organizations. "Charlotte Harbor" is the name in common use for the body of water, but the presence of the city of Charlotte Harbor does require disambiguation. For what it is worth, this article ("estuary") is about two years older than the "southwest Florida bay" version. -- Donald Albury 19:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Just noticed this issue myself and I agree; having two articles about the same body of water is redundant. I'd say the (estuary) title is best, but either way, the info could and should be merged into one good article. Zeng8r (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

The (estuary) is also better in my opinon. I do agree these pages should be merged. VisaBlack (talk) 07:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done

shipwreck and pirate claims

The various claims of past pirate activity and treasure-laden shipwrecks in the Charlotte Harbor area are all sourced from one book which appears to be a self-published volume. I'm a bit obsessed with that topic (particularly the myth of Jose Gaspar and its origins) yet I've never seen another source mention the events mentioned in this article. Unless I or somebody else can find another, more authoritative source to back them up, I'm going to rewrite that section and delete the dubious stuff. --Zeng8r (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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Location of Presidio de San Antonio de Padua

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In 1565 Pedro Menedez de Aviles, the founder of St. Augustine, established the San Antonio mission-fort at an unidentified location inside Charlotte Harbor (probably on the peace river). This catholic mission was built to be the wedding site of the chiefs daughter whose Indian name was changed to Donna Antonia and Aviles after 2 years of off-and-on fighting with the local natives, the mission was abandoned. "Charlotte County History by Norita Shepherd Moss". Retrieved April 28, 2009.

Both John H. Hann, in (Indians of Central and South Florida 1513–1763 (2003), University Press of Florida ISBN 0-8130-2645-8, p. 36, and Jerald T. Milanich, in Florida Indians and the Invasion from Europe (1995), University Press of Florida ISBN 0-8130-1636-3, p. 157, explicitly place the garrison called San Antonio established by Menendez on Mound Key. Childers (Childers, Ronald Wayne (2004). "The Presidio System in Spanish Florida 1565-1763". Historical Archaeology. 38 (3): 24–32. JSTOR 25617178.) also shows the Presidio de San Antonio de Padua located just south of the Caloosahatchee River on a map on page 25. On the other hand, geneaology sites normally do not meet the the criteria set forth in Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. - Donald Albury 15:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)