Talk:Charismatic Christianity

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Moved from statistics

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As of 2008, according to Barna surveys, one out of every four Protestant churches in the United States (23%) is a charismatic congregation. A slight majority of all "born-again" Christians (51%) are charismatic. Nearly half of all adults who attend a Protestant church (46%) are charismatic. (Barna Group, "Is American Christianity Turning Charismatic?" Accessed 29 January 2008.)

Currently, the article does not go into detail about Charismatic Christianity in specific countries. At present, it just deals with the global landscape. I've placed it here in case in the future more country by country data is added. Ltwin (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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I notice that this article calls this movement Charismatic Christianity, but I've also read several other websites that call it Charismaticism. So which way is correct? And is really necessary to have this article and the Charismatic Movement one? If so, explain please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.232.73 (talk) 00:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

See response at Talk:Charismatic Movement#Two pages? Ltwin (talk)

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was merge. Sirfurboy (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

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I propose to merge evangelical charismatic movement into Charismatic Christianity. There is no novel information at evangelical charismatic movement that is not covered here or at neo-charismatic movement. The former term also seems to not have many references to warrant its existence. What are your thoughts? Anupam^Talk 22:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support: There is no separate evangelical charismatic movement apart from Charismatic Christianity in general, which itself is considered to be a part of evangelical Christianity. Anupam^Talk 22:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support, as it appears that Charismatic Christianity is already a subset of Evangelical Christianity, making evangelical charismatic movement redundant (although still a good redirect). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support This is the logical location for an article on the subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:18, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

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Need some neutrality here.

Where does this movement emerge from? What does it juxtapose? What are some criticisms of it? What are these so-called miracles in everyday life? Those of us who are skeptics can't just accept this as fact. What are people calling Miracles? And what is this "spirit" thing? If you are Catholic or mainline Protestant, the Holy Spirit has a very different role to play. This article basically sells the virtues of charismatic Christianity. 2600:1700:A0C4:9AA0:C5A0:D5EC:405D:C2B0 (talk) 00:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The question is how much of that belongs in the article of the history of the movement and how much should really just be wikilinked elsewhere. The only substanive section in this article is "history" and this is essentially a history article. Some criticism could well be added in history but it should focus on the formation of a separate movement. We don't have a miracles section nor a theology section. On what we have, we need to be more specific about what is wrong. I will start, as reading this now, I found several issues right away:

• The lead has: Charismatic Christianity (also known as Spirit-filled Christianity by its supporters) - Christian detractors, however, say all Christianity is, by definition, spirit filled. Think that AKA should go. That certainly looks like a neutrality issue.
• It goes on is a form of Christianity that emphasizes the work of the Holy Spirit, spiritual gifts, and modern-day miracles as an everyday part of a believer's life.

I think this is the miracles mention that you are concerned with, and as many non charismatics accept modern day miracles, and many charismatics do not say modern day miracles are every day occurrences I think the mention of miracles can just go. Healing and miracles are spiritual gifts, and the term is wikilinked.

• And then it has Charismatic Christianity grew out of Protestantism and is distinguished from Pentecostalism by making the act of speaking in tongues no longer necessary as evidence of baptism with the Holy Spirit, and giving prominence to a diversity of spiritual gifts.

The tongues issue is indeed a big difference from pentecostalism but there is no mention here that what really sets the charismatic movement apart from the former pentecostal movement was that pentecostals had to form their own denominations, whereas charismatic christianity became a movement within main stream churches. That deserves a mention - but this is the lead so I won't add to the lead until the main covers it. One of the problems articles have is people adding bits and bobs to the lead without a fuller discussion in the main, unbalancing articles.

• This sentence in distinguishing beliefs is also an examle of additions unbalancing an article: The Charismatic movement has sometimes been related to the New Age revival in the United States from the 1960s and 1970s. Similar characteristics are found in the rise in popularity of Kundalini. The sources are a Guardian Netflix review, and a masters thesis and a PhD thesis. It goes without saying the review is not a WP:RS, but neither is a masters thesis. Inasmuch as it supports the PhD thesis, it shows the question has been asked so the line is not wrong but it is rather niche. What is described in the paper is more subtle than what is captured here, and in mentioning it, we ignore many other theses that have been published and that get no mention. My feeling is that there are likely to be secondary treatments that look more broadly at this, that would be better here than something that particularly singles out Kundalini, a specific type of yoga.

I will make bold edits on the first two as I think they are clear enough that I can just go ahead and change them. The second two issues need a bit more thought. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:09, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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