Talk:Charaxes

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: pages moved per discussion. Despite the arguments below about Euripus Strait, that article is not called simply Euripus, and there's a hatnote. - GTBacchus^(talk) 13:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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• Charaxes (genus) → Charaxes
• Euripus (genus) → Euripus

– The disambiguating parenthesis is redundant; the genus is the only candidate for this headword. Noym (talk) 18:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

• oppose move to Euripus (the Greek for "strait", it has several other meanings in English, most notably that between Euboea and the mainland of Greece).
• The move of Charaxes is probably harmless, although a hatnote to Charax is indicated. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

No, the Greek for "strait" is πορθμός, not ευρίπου. The strait between Euboea and mainland Greece is called the Euripus Strait, not just "Euripus". Generally, Ευρίπου appears only as a fragment of a few proper names as far as I can tell. I agree about the hatnote. Noym (talk) 18:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

You disagree with Liddell and Scott - and we have entries for proper names. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Who are Liddell and Scott? Which entries are you referring to? Noym (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Liddell & Scott. The entry for εὔριπος is online here. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the dictionary entry; I had no idea.

You've lost me on several levels:

1. The Modern Greek for "strait" is πορθμός, period. This is the actual word that actual people actually use. I can post pictures of maps and road signs if you want. Why do obsolete words matter in this context? Do you routinely reserve headwords for random nouns from Anglo-Saxon dictionaries?
2. Who is Alice? Please remember that not everyone here is American or a native speaker of English.
3. What, specifically now, are the alternative meanings of "Euripus" that you want the headword reserved for? As far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing else in your language that is referred to simply as "Euripus". I'm aware of the Euripus Strait, but it's the Euripus Strait, not just the Euripus. What else is there? Noym (talk) 00:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what Demotic does; it has had negligible influence on English. Euripus is, however, a toponym in English; so the proposed name is ambiguous. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:51, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

If it really is ambiguous, then why not finally provide an example of one other thing besides the butterfly genus that it is used to refer to? This is the third time I'm asking by my count. I'm not trying to steal your precious headword for my nefarious plan of world domination or anything, I'm simply trying to get a useless qualifier dropped. If you can name one single specific example that demonstrates real, tangible ambiguity, the qualifier is probably not as useless as I thought and I'm withdrawing my move request on the spot. Noym (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Of course it's ambiguous; we already have the article [[Euripus Strait[[ - named by a non-anglophone, like many geographical articles; it should be Euripus (strait), if not Euripus. Since the article on the strait is viewed eight times as often as the one of the genus, you are proposing to remove a useful disambiguator; if either should be removed, it is the tag on the more wanted article.

You would have found the answer to your other question by following the linK; Dean liddell was the father of one of the best-known Alices in English: Alice Pleasance Liddell Hargreaves.. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, let's see.

1. Google agrees it's the Euripus Strait and not "the Euripus", just like it's the Bering Strait and not "the Bering". Seriously, just go and try for yourself. Every travel agency, every travel guide, every hotel in the area agrees.
2. Google Books agrees it's the Euripus Strait.
3. Merriam Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia agrees it's either the Euripus Strait or the "Evripos Strait" (the 2000/2001 version, p. 554).
4. The Standardized Catalogue of International Straits agrees it's the Euripus Strait (sec. 4.2.1, Straits Formed by an Island of a Coastal State Bordering the Strait and Its Mainland Territory).
5. The Hellenic Center for Maritime Research agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Karageorgis et al. 2005).
6. The National Technical University of Athens agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Koloukussis et al. 2011).
7. The Journal of Geophysical Research agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Chavez et al. 2002).
8. The Hastings Law Journal agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Coleman 2003).
9. Every yachting club in the area agrees it's the Euripus Strait. [1], [2], [3]
10. ports.com agrees it's the Euripus Strait. [4]
11. The road signs the Municipality of Chalkis puts up agree it's the Euripus Strait.
12. Greece and Rome (the Cambridge University journal) agrees it's been the Euripus Strait at least since the Fourties (Myres 1943).
13. The historical maps they sell on Amazon agree it's actually pretty much always been the Euripus Strait.

I'm beginning to think you're just making stuff up now. Noym (talk) 20:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Polyura says P. is a subgenus of Charaxes

Inconsistency between articles. DCDuring (talk) 15:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)