Talk:Char Bouba war

R.S. Sources + Nasir ad Din

Please see this Char Bouba and Unesco Unesco and how it relates to this topic. Those two tiny sources are not very reliable looking. I do not see the name Nasir ad Din anywhere in this text, despite it being associated with him. --41.177.4.26 (talk) 17:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I think there's a general confusion in the article between the Char Bouba war and the Mauritanian 30 Years War. The latter was a general expansion and consolidation of Arab power in Mauritanian, which culminated in the Char Bouba war (1673-1674). Those sources you provided are really good, particularly the Ogot text. There's a good description of the war in the Cambridge History of Africa too. I'm currently working on a rework of the article, hopefully should be able to get some maps in too. MrPenguin20 (talk) 09:52, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

June 2023

@Gofté Moorish: where in that source that you keep adding does it say that "Morocco was involved in this war"? Also, what part of what I said in my edit summary isn't clear? M.Bitton (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

in the book the intervention of Morocco alongside the Banu Hassan in the war of Char Bouba is mentioned on page 399.

You delete the source when it clearly says that Morocco was part of the war with their ally the Banu Hassan. Gofté Moorish (talk) 15:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

What does it say on page 399 and what what part of what I said in my edit summary (about the infobox) isn't clear? M.Bitton (talk) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

in your modification you remove Morocco while the source clearly says that Morocco was part of the war maybe it was political or military support the source does not mention it but it still mentions Morocco's membership in the conflict alongside the Banu Hassan Gofté Moorish (talk) 15:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

You keep cherry picking what to answer while ignoring the rest. Please cite exactly what he said and comment on what I said about the infobox. M.Bitton (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, who is "Oumar Kane" and what are his credentials? M.Bitton (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

his wikipedia page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oumar_Kane Gofté Moorish (talk) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

In other words, the author of the source is not a historian and therefore unreliable even if he made the claim that you are attributing to him while refusing to cite it. M.Bitton (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Why are you lying in the wikipedia page it clearly says he is a historian Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

"En outre, la guerre de Shur-Bubba a donné au roi du Maroc l'occasion d'intervenir aux côtés des Hassan contre les Zawaya." Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

To intervene against the Zawiyas does not mean being involved in the war. This is a confirmation that you are misrepresenting the unreliable source. M.Bitton (talk) 16:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

But I died laughing your bad faith kills me laughing it clearly says that during the war of Shur Bouba Morocco intervened alongside the Banu Hassan against the zawaya who are a nomadic sanhaja confederation of the Senegal river

Zawaya

and your argument to say that the source is not valid is to say that the author is not a historian when if just the source is against you so you deny it pathetic your hypocrisy Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Nope, that's not what it says. One more personal attack and you'll be reported to the admins. M.Bitton (talk) 16:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

"the author of the source is not a historian" Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:14, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Either you provide a reliable source that describes as such or I will assume that you have nothing to provide and are just wasting my time. M.Bitton (talk) 16:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

But it is you who must argue that the source is not reliable your first argument was to say that it was not a historian when it is completely false Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:16, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

That confirms what I said, the author is not a historian and therefore unreliable (until proven otherwise). M.Bitton (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

But are you doing it on purpose or what exactly the author is a historian specializing in the region

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oumar_Kane

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"Activité

Historien"

"Il était l'un des plus grands spécialistes de l'histoire du royaume sénégalais du Fouta-Toro, région historique de la vallée du fleuve Sénégal, et de l'histoire de l'islamisation de l'Afrique de l'ouest." Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. M.Bitton (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

by the way btw the author says that the war of Shur Bubba opposes the Hassan and the zawaya so your argument from before saying that he is not talking about the war of shur buba is rejected

"La deuxième moitié du XVII e siècle y est marquée par la guerre de Shur-Bubba qui a opposé les Zawaya Tashomsha et les Hassan."

https://www.cairn.info/la-premiere-hegemonie-peule--9782845865211-page-456.htm Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not interest in your WP:OR. Please provide RS that back your claims and comment on what I said about the infobox. M.Bitton (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

You asked me for the page I gave it to you You asked me for the citation of the passage I gave it to you You asked me the profession of the author of the source I gave it to you You m you said he was not talking about the char bouba sanhaja I refuted you by giving the opposition of the conflict according to the author Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I asked for a reliable source that describes him as a historian (which you are yet to provide). I also asked you multiples times to comment on what I said about the infobox, which meant to summarize what's in the article's body (still waiting for a comment). M.Bitton (talk) 16:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source that describes him as a historian. M.Bitton (talk) 16:10, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

it is a reliable source a historian specializing in the region you told me that he was not a historian when wiki clearly says that he is a historian you are so in bad faith Gofté Moorish (talk) 16:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gofté Moorish: I see that you're busy editing your own talk page, so pinging you here again just to make sure that you have read the questions. M.Bitton (talk) 15:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC)