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Changquan migrated outside of China along the Silk Road to Turkey where Muslim soldiers refined and modified the art in battles against Christian Crusaders (see Crusade). Islamic Long Fist would later return to China where it was reincorporated into Changquan and other later styles of traditional Wushu such as Northern Praying Mantis Kung Fu.

This text more appropriately belongs in the Chāquán article, but historical corroboration is still necessary.
JFD 02:34, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Long fist kung fu

I would welcome any feedback on the honourable Long Fist. I have studied and used an accidental imitation of the Long Fist style with a Korean Tae Kwon Do house-style.

If there are any other Shaolin Long Fist fighters who studied under another Long Fist linkage, their comments would be expected, acknowledged, resptected.

One traditional school of longfist I'd like to recommend is YMAA. Founded by Yang Jwing-Ming, this school is rooted in the teaching of Li Mao-Ching, a grandmaster of longfist. The forms and techniques come directly from the Nanking Guoshu Institute, established by Chiang Kai-Shek. They teach sparring extensively, actually incorporating techniques from forms into free fighting. YMAA teaches Lian Bu Quan, Gong Li Quan, Yi Lu Maifu, Er Lu Maifu, Shi Zi Tang, Tan Tui, Xiao Hu Yuan, Beng Bu, Si Lu Ben Zha, and Taizu Changquan, among other things. If you are looking for authentic longfist, it doesn't get much more traditional than this. I'd also encourage you to check out Shaolin Longfist Kung Fu, a book by Yang Jwing-Ming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darlingtonpear (talk • contribs) 03:50, 7 March 2009

Just wanted to report another school I've discovered. Another longfist school is the Wutan lineage (no, not the hip-hop group!). The older sifus there were students of Liu Yun-Chiao, a near-legendary master of Bajiquan, Praying Mantis, and Baguazhang (plus some others). I believe their longfist comes from Han Qing-tan, the longfist grandmaster from Nanking Guoshu Institute. Although their curriculum includes Tantui and Xiao Hu Yuan, they also teach some forms that I am not familiar with. The actual Wutan masters are Tony Yang, Marlon Ma, Jason Tsou...and a few others I can't remember. There are schools in Taiwan, New York, Florida, California, and Ohio. Another famous name is Adam Hsu, loosely connected to Wutan.

I've seen their sequences and sparring and they are done with incredible power and form. Best sparring I've ever seen. Check out Youtube - I'm sure it has some videos on both YMAA and Wutan. Darlingtonpear (talk) 19:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

One of our students studied through Green Dragon videos out of Akron Ohio. Otherwise, I (guy to be known - I guess Julian) studied Boxing and Savate under Julian Loredo in Detroit Michigan. The Warrior

[Ed] Peace, Once more... Peace.

In the west the Long Fist has been successful because of a temperament attuned with the results of the technnique rather than than provision of the style in re-action to an 'event', i.e Long Fist has not had harmony in 'my' west. I could be wrong - and in this, where my perspective of philosophy is weak I stronly ask/request that you fully understand that before flirting and coverting a style you embrace the west identify schools present.

>> delete as appropriate> Va bene, tuti bene?<<<

>Double note, drunken style is now like 'water', there is NO margin, the DAM has taken it's place. It is GOOD - but it is not LIFE.<

I am easy to get along with as long as everyone keeps a cool head and does not lower themselves to trashy language.

Does anyone know where Peter Kwok fits into the Shaolin Long Fist equation? I have no idea other than he taught a lot of Long Fist students in New York/New jersey before returning to China. The Warrior

I have never heard of Peter Kwok before. What lineage does he belong to? Have you heard of Zhao Baofu (Porf Jou)? He teaches a lot of longfist in Taiwan, such as Taizu Changquan or San Cai Jian. I think he specializes in Praying Mantis, though. Omicr0n7d3n9 (talk) 19:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

==The term Changquan The term Changquan had only 1 meaning in the old days, it refered to Tàizǔ Chángquán (Chinese: 太祖長拳; literally "Emperor Taizu long fist"). Since 1949 it is also used to include other similar styles which is stated in the article

Karolus 2006/10/16

Nice work on the article. You added good content from China, and did not disrespect the original contributor. I thank you for respecting me like I respect you. Peace! The Warrior

Peter Kwok (Kwok Wo ngai, Guo He Yi) studied under several masters. According to Gary Torres of the Phoenix Dragon Kung Fu Academy, Grandmaster Kwok's primary teacher in Northern Shaolin was Han Ching Tung, who was also part of the Nanking Guoshu Institute, and as such Grandmaster Kwok's Northern Shaolin is related to that of YMAA (like "cousins"). Peter Kwok's versions of Tan Tui Chuan and Gung Li Chuan, for example, are quite similar (though not identical) to the versions taught by YMAA, as well as the Chin Woo Federation.

The "Peter Kwok system" includes study in four styles: Northern Shaolin, Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan (under Kuo Lien Ying), Hsing Yi (under Giang Yung Chien) and Ba Gua (under Gun Yuen Tang).

In New Jersey, several of Grandmaster Kwok's students currently operate schools: Peter Kwok's Kung Fu Academy in Westwood under Sifu Randy Elia, Al Bender's Kung Fu Academy of New Jersey in Bloomfield under Sifu Al Bender Jr., and China Hand Kung Fu Academy in Brick under Shifu Dominick Ruggieri (a student of Grandmaster Kwok's students Gary Torres, Mark Gates and Pat Hanvey). Other prominent students of Grandmaster Kwok include the aforementioned Grandmaster/Dr. Gary Torres (Phoenix Dragon Kung Fu Academy in Tampa, FL and Master Marilyn Cooper (Little River King Fu in California).

Sources: http://www.phoenixdragonkungfu.com/shao-lin-lineage.aspx http://www.albenderskungfuacademy.com/ http://www.littleriverkf.com/ http://www.peterkwokskungfu.com/ http://www.chinahand.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNZU2dO8xE&list=PLA4F220983040887E

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Long & Power fist types/names

I learned that Long Fist is also called Siu Moy (sp? Moi?) and a Power Fist version is called Kung Lek (sp?) which I don't know is a subset of Long Fist: does Power Fist need its own article?--dchmelik (t|c) 08:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)