Talk:Chandigarh/Archive 1

Archive 1

Languages

Languages in order of no. of speakers: Hindi>Punjabi>English...etc That was one of the main reasons why the city is not a part of Punjab.

While posting the languages, one should either follow either the order of popularity or the alphabetical order. The former seems rather more appropriate. --HFret (talk) 10:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC) You are touching a sensitive topic and you should check your facts for why Chandigarh is not part of Punjab. Another reason you could give is that the countries spoken language should come first otherwise you are just hurting a communities feeling's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeshwar grewal (talk • contribs) 02:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Ordering

Alphabetizing or Chronologically reordering lists and names of places/people etc ensures a balance and maintains an unbiased view. So make sure to keep up the order that I have just corrected throughout the article. --HFret (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

To Mr.Information-Line, stop vandalizing this article by removing true information and replacing it with hoaxes and self made theories. Stop removing referenced points. The city's name root that you are repeatedly changing does not cite any reference whatsoever!

If you want to make edits, then discuss them here first.

--HFret (talk) 08:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The only planned city

I can't make sense of the following sentence, so I pulled it onto the talk page:

"Chandigarh was the only planned city until 1983, like Gandhinagar, the capital of Gujarat, until 1972."

Is Chandigarh the only "planned city" in the world, or in India? Neither is quite true--Washington DC, Canberra, Brasilia, and others exist around the world, and Jaipur and New Delhi in India. It also implies that Chandigarh stopped being a planned city in 1985, and Gandhinagar in 1972. Tom Radulovich 16:36, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I disagree - Jaipur is anything but planned unless you decide that planning that took place a few hundred years ago and does not hold relevance in todays environment and growth. Of course like anything else this is open to discussion and intepretation.

I would put it this way : Chandigarh is a well-planned city india and is known for its Planning and Architecture. Worth including here that Chandigarh (for its architeture) is specially covered by most of the universities round the globe in their programes (Bachelors in Architecture and beyond) for enriching their students with living examples. --spsood 08:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

"Chandigarh was constructed after thorough plans by the French ardhitect Le Corbusier." [1]. I don't know how reliable this information is. Mattisse(talk) 15:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it's very reliable, albeit slightly more intricate. See James C. Scott's Seeing Like A State pages 130-2. This is a heavily critical view of the city, which is surprising because our article is largely positive. (154.5.166.187 20:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC))

There are Gandhinagar and Bhubaneshwar, that are planned and modern Indian cities, so Chandigarh is not the only planned city even in India.Haphar 07:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Sikh population

With all due respect to the person who wrote this article, there is one glaring mistake: there is no way that the Sikh percentage of the city is only 16%. The city itself was to be given to Punjab in 1986, and judged on the way many Hindu Punjabis opted to denote Hindi as their mother tongue, the Sikh percentage of the city is surely in excess of 60%, correlating the population demographics fof Punjab.

The 1991 Census [2] reports that 20.3% of the population is Sikh. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:24, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Scrub my last comment, the 2001 census agrees with the figures that were in the article. [3] Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Hindu punjabis(in Punjab, Haryana, Delhi etc.) have recorded their mother tongue as Hindi since the census of 1961 with the active abetment of Arya samaj and Jan sangh(predecessor of the B.J.P). Punjabi Hindu leadership in Lahore,the political and cultural nerve centre of Punjab, in pre-partiton days had started moving away from Punjabi as it was written in Gurmukhi, even though gurbani and gurmukhi were essential part of punjabi and sindhi hindu culture until the 19th century(Guru Nanak was born in a Hindu khatri family the same caste as most of Punjabi Hindus). In the early 1900's with the arya samaj gaining ground in Punjab there was a delibrate move away from this mainly at the behest of leadership from the Hindi heartland i.e U.P. Which had its own vision of Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan(Although Bengalis, Marathis and gujaratis etc. stuck to their languages) as opposed to the muslim vision of a muslim homeland and Urdu which also started in U.P with the Muslim League and was the main reason for Punjabi Muslims prefering Urdu over Punjabi. There was a virtual competition between Urdu and Hindi for the national language status, Urdu was being widely used under the British in the north so Arya samaj had this policy of only supporting and propagating Hindi and devnagri. The Sikhs in contrast did not have any such influence as they were only concentrated in Punjab. After Partition all other states were being re-organized on linguistic lines in the 50's and 60's starting with Andhra Pradesh. At that time Punjab included Haryana and much of Himachal. The demand for a Punjabi Suba(province) gained momentum mainly supported by the Akali Dal. But hindus had completely abandoned Punjabi by this time and even letters and invitations etc. to family members were and still are written in Hindi, eventhough their mother tongue is Punjabi( not talking to kids in Punjabi is another trend that started during this period). Punjabi suba was bitterly opposed by Punjabi Hindus on the ground that Punjabi in Gurmukhi script was the language of Gurbani hence associated with sikhism, Whereas in reality sikh gurus had only revived the older Landay script(used by the mercantile community of punjab for writing their bahi khata(business dealings and accounts) as the common script of Punjabi because Punjabi at that time was written in Shahmukhi, and Landay had fallen into disuse. The most interesting twist to this is that Landay is the Takri script that originated from Shardapeeth in Kashmir's Kishenganga (Neelam)valley(this place is located in the Pahari(a punjabi variant) speaking region of Kashmir, sharda script of Kashmiri language also originated here, this palce was great centre of learning up until the advent of Islam in the Sub-continent). This place still exists on the LOC on the Pakistani side and Sharda and Narda Peaks and the temple complex(which by the way is now inside the Pak army barracks) are visible from the Indian side. This script though fell from popular use because of the large scale conversions to Islam in Punjab plains and preference for persian in the officialdom, yet it was still widely used not only by the hindu mercantile communities of punjab as stated above but also by the Pahari painters and sculpturs in the hills all across the Jammu region and hill districts of Punjab(Himachal)where Islam was not predominant. Most Pahari paintings from Kangra etc. and even sculptures from the 11th century, in the Chamba museum have carvings in this script. Sikh gurus being from the Hindu mercantile community were naturally inclined to use this over shahmukhi which was based on persian and not very well suited for punjabi especially for typical punjabi words with sounds like DHADA and JHAJHA etc. devnagri has the same problem, when it comes to writing punjabi in devnagri, that is why Paharis and Dogras etc. prefered this script over devnagri in their art. In Jammu takri was replaced by devnagri in 1940's under the influence of Arya samaj etc. there is a movement in Jammu currently to replace devnagri with takri for writing Dogri, we may see this happen soon in Jammu. Takri was discontinued in Himachal only after Independence in 1947. Gurmukhi in addition to having all the letters from Takri/Landay has also added some letters from Devnagri that is the only difference. If someone knows how to read Gurmukhi they can also read Takri/Landay easily.

As a bid to stop the Punjabi suba hindus started recording their mother tongue as Hindi from 1961 census because by doing so in erstwhile east punjab which was hindu majority the most common language overall, at least in census records, would show as hindi, as southern districts of haryana are hindi speaking. The congress was the main political party that the Hindus identified with and that was the party in power in Punjab and Delhi, so Nehru and central government opposed it too. Finally after the patriotism shown by the people of the predominantly sikh majority border districts during the 1965 war with Pakistan the congress relented and agreed to form a Punjab state based on linguistic boundaries where Punjabi would be the state language(the last of such states to be formed based on language). Arya Samaj/Congress leaders from Punjab were still opposed to it. Gulzari lal Nanda of Punjab who was a major Congress personality in the central government of Indira Gandhi once said that he would give akalis such a Punjabi Suba that they will always complain and he delivered on that promise by keeping a number of punjabi speaking districts out of Punjab, maily the northern districts of Haryana in such a way that both Haryana and Punjab bordered Chandigarh, which in turn was made a Union Territory. Chandigarh has a Hindu majority but it is a predominantly Punjabi speaking city, but in the census Hindi shows up as the most common language mainly because of Punjabi hindus recording their mother tongue as hindi. By that logic Ludhiana, Jalandhar and Amritsar all hindu majority cities would also not be a part of Punjab, because hindus there also record their mother tongue as Hindi. This was one of the root causes that led to a series of events that ultimately culminated in the militancy in Punjab. The other being the issue of river waters. Now as for the Sikh population in Chandigarh, it was going up till the nineties but that changed with the large scale migration from UP and Bihar(now 12%) into Chandigarh actively aided and abetted by the politicians and U.T. admninstration it serves the dual purpose of vote bank(immediate) and ethnic domination(long term). So although the actual number of sikhs increased their percentage in the population decreased because of the migrants from other states moving in, in greater numbers. It has accelerated in Punjab also. During the NDA(Akali-BJP in Punjab)tenure as a result the Sikh population in Punjab stands at 59%(2001 census) down from a high of 64% just a decade ago. As recently as last year the Union government and Chandigarh U.T. administration regularised illegal labour colonies with a population of 100,000(total urban population of Chandigarh is 900,000) and is constructing flats for them going against the master plan of Chandigarh. There was an agitaion against it by the people who were displaced from villages that were on the land where Chandigarh now stands as these people were never adequately compensated. One of them was quoted by the Tribune as saying "the govenment is building flats for people who have moved here from other states and are illegally occupying government land while those that this land belonged to have not even been compensated." There is a great danger of an Assam type agitation starting in Punjab and Chandigarh if interstate migration is not tackled. Militancy is still fresh in people's minds, it would be foolish on the part of Punjabis both Hindus and non-hindus as well as the government to let things continue as they are.

In 1985 the Punjab Accord between Longowal and Rajiv Gandhi promised the transfer of Chandigarh to Punjab in lieu of transfering 75000 acres of land to Haryana from Punjab, While ignoring the fact that Haryana has at least seven districts(parts of some) where Punjabi is the predominant language, but most of them are recorded as hindi speaking because Punjabi hindus that have a large population in these districts record their mother tongue as hindi. For example because of this all of Ambala district went to Haryana including Kharar tehsil which was part of Ambala, but Kharar was given to punjab at the insistence of Indira Gandhi as otherwise Punjab would have no border with the capital Chandigarh. In other states each town and village were considered as stand alone while demarcating boundaries of states while in Punjab's case it was based on districts. A lot of Haryanvi/Jaat areas are still in Western U.P and Rajasthan. Ganganagar district of Rajasthan along with parts of Hanumangarh are predominantly Punjabi speaking. Bilaspuri/kahluri and Bagri are recorded as Punjabi dialects in the Indian census while the areas they are spoken in are parts of Himachal and Haryana. There needs to be a serious re-organization of states in the north. 29 September, 2006 (UTC)

Very good information. It explains a lot of things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.89.34.175 (talk) 22:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear RMehra

I think that the recording of Hindi by Punjabi Hindus as their mother tongue has been a most sad happening and will haunt the Punjabi Hindu community in the future with disastrous consequences .As a Punjabi Hindu from an AryaSamaji background I wish that this trend were completely reversed . What ever the reasons may have been persisting with this self destructive behaviour now is foolhardy . The Arya Samaj needs to do some serious rethinking and a U turn on this issue should be the mission of the Arya Samajist machinery now . Regards Vikram Anand

Education

Moved education related information to a new section in keeping with Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities. RMehra 05:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I have twice now removed blatant advertising for some unknown schools and it keeps getting put back on by someone using the name Robzz. This user should be prevented from changing this page. --Rameses 03:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Ditto for the colleges and univs. Someone's putting the rankings of those places - quite irrelevant here.Buntygill 09:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it 'd be a good idea to put the educational institutions into a table. The way they are written now, they are hardly legible. Buntygill 09:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Transfer of Chandigarh to Punjab

Moved information related to transfer of Chandigarh to Punjab into the history section. RMehra 06:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC) education is very gud in chandigarh.. people came from many places to study here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.109.121.249 (talk) 08:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Geography

Added a new section on Geography. Need to beef it up. RMehra 08:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Demographics

Expanded the section on demographics and moved the section on languages to the demographics section on the lines of most good articles on Indian cities e.g. Mumbai. RMehra 11:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Railway Station

Just added information on the Chandigarh railway station in the transport section. Will add information on the air links in the next edit. RMehra 06:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Added information on airport. RMehra 13:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

External Links

71.113.21.70 (talk · contribs) changed the external links of the article & added a new link. All these links don't work giving the "403 Forbidden" error. So I reverted it. Then Michaldemin (talk · contribs), who I strongly suspect is 71.113.21.70, reverted back to the version by 71.113.21.70. Now can someone else check these links & confirm that they don't work & it's not a just a problem with my browser? Thanks --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 08:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

A similar thing has been done to the Panchkula article. --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 08:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

This is what all the websites show....

Screen Snapshot

Thanks! RMehra 11:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Punjab and Haryana Assembly

I have to say, this looks like one of the ugliest buildings I have ever seen in my entire life. :) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 11:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Look at the architecture, not the maintenance. I 'm sure you meant the scum in the tank and the black layer on the building material. Buntygill 07:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be a good idea to make these pictures a bit smaller? Some of these are really big for the article. You have the full resolution pictures on wikimedia anyway? RMehra 18:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Chandigarh under the federal Government of India?

India is a Central Government. Most power lies with the Central Government of India, unlike United States which has a Federal Government where more power is with the individual states. Therefore a correction must be made that "Chandigarh is adminstered by the Central Government of India."

Whomever wrote what is above, I think you do not understand the political structure of the United States. The balance of power between the Federal Government and the States is in a constant state of change. However, it could be argued that, since the Federal Constitution is the highest law, and the Supreme Court is the highest court, with dominion over all others, that the Federal Government has significantly more power than individual States. Just to add my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neorunner (talk • contribs) 14:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

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Eiffel Tower {Sort Of}

Is that tower shown really a radio tower as stated in the text with the picture? Chandigarh guy (talk) 00:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)chandigarh_guy

It actually is a replica of the Eiffel Tower built in front of the Government Museum. It was one of the projects taken up by the Chandigarh administration to show its affinal links with France. It has nothing to do with radio transmission. It is just a stand alone structure, black in colour, made of iron and about 30 feet tall Uvav (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)UvavUvav (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Chandigarh workgroup Addition

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Chandigarh workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Chandigarh or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

ST.STEPHEN'S SCHOOL CHANDIGARH, sector 45 B

I noticed the page displaying information on Chandigarh had an article about ST.STEPHEN'S SCHOOL CHANDIGARH, sector 45 B at the very start of the page, which was distraction and not appropriate, considering the info on Chandigarh should be displayed first.

I'm not the original author of the article on the school and I thought a separate article about the school would be appropriate, I've therefore created a new article and restored the page on Chandigarh, so none of the information is lost, the name of the school has been added in the section of notable schools, so that the wishes of the original author has been respected.

Please discuss.

Sayantan20023 (talk) 05:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Sayantan

History

I cannot make out from this article when the foundation-stone of this city was laid, when did the first building come up, which was the first building or the sector built/allotted - the very basics when one is discussing about the establishing of a city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.174.240 (talk) 12:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

In the History section, there is a sentence "The was the Capital of Punjab alone from 1952 to 1966.[5]". The word "city" is missing there, can someone add this. Dangerpete (talk) 17:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Population: those displaced, those who displaced them and their economic basis

It needs to be remembered that for the making of Chandigarh over 25000 people were displaced and forced to settle in new villages outside of the town limits. Their lands were taken away and in return they were either paid a paltry sum or given a much reduced agricultural plot in exchange. The compensation was often as low as Rs. 10, repeat ten, per acre! In the 1950s the government of India was particularly insensitive to the rights of citizens and routinely exercised its Eminent Domain to displace people for developmental works. So Nehru and his officers paid little heed to the agitation that was launched by the displaced villagers to prevent the creation of Chandigarh. Recently I read a book that was published by the Chandigarh administration on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of Chandigarh in 1999 which detailed the manner of displacement of the people, their protests against Chandigarh, the manner of their integration with the upcoming town etc. . The ironical thing, this book points out, was that even those who came to live in the new city were not happy with it. They had been displaced from some other place in the country and forced to seek a life in Chandigarh which as yet full of the dust, grime and sounds of construction. The most important feature of this town was that it had a very large temporary population of students who had come to study in the colleges and the university. About 30000 students were in these institutions of higher education. They were a major source of income for the city. Otherwise, Chandigarh had no other source of income. No industry, no large scale trade. No wonder the popular wisdom had it that Chandigarh was good only for the tired, retired and the expired. Apart from students who brought in money the city survived on government salaries and government grants. But even this, under the kind of economic circumstances that existed in India in the 1950s to 1990s, resulted in improved income for the residents of the neighbouring villages. As a result they began to develop a certain affinity to the city. This was visible in the relative absence of dacoity and robbery in Chandigarh as compared to the other towns of Punajb and Haryana.Uvav (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)UvavUvav (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Rock Garden

Rock Garden is truly the most famous place in India. Built in 3 phases, the garden is completely made out of waste materials like lavotary seats, electric sockets, fused tubelights, rocks, soft drink caps and what not. Mr. Nek Chand is credited to make this amazing place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.167.104.21 (talk) 14:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Tricity

I think a section is needed so that someone is not mislead into thinking that Chandigarh is such a small town, it is time that a section is dedicated to give information about the general city i.e. Chandigarh, Mohali, Panchkula, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeshwar grewal (talk • contribs) 02:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Introduction - first planned city

The second sentence of the second para of the introduction says "It is the first planned city of India". I think it would be appropriate to change it to "It is the first planned city of modern India" as there were several planned cities in ancient and medieval India. In my opinion the distinction is necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilgudi (talk • contribs) 22:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Not only that there were serveral planned cities in Indian history,

New Delhi is something like a planned city as well. --85.178.120.53 (talk) 13:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

space missing

two states,Punjab and Haryana(Since

should be

two states, Punjab and Haryana (Since

--85.178.120.53 (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)--85.178.120.53 (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} Typo in paragraph 3 of section "History".

The sentence "The was the Capital of Punjab alone from 1952 to 1966.[5]" should read "It was the capital of Punjab alone from 1952 to 1966.[5]"

Siddharth.patwardhan (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Nice eye! ~ Amory (u • t • c)

Know more about Chandigarh

Log on to Discover! Chandigarh (www.discoverchandigarh.com) for more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.124.198 (talk) 14:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Climate section error

Where the individual seasons are described, the months of autumn and spring are wrong, rather they are other way around. I would do the change myself, but I am not sure whether it would be exactly accurate because I don't have the reference material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IoanC (talk • contribs) 14:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Albert Mayer

Surpringly there is no Wikipedia article on the architect and planner Albert Mayer who was invited by Nehru to undertake the Chandigarh plan. I have deleted the link in para 2 of the article as it leads only to a minor canoeist. Sorry I cannot do new article as it is not my field. Davidships (talk) 11:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Merger_proposal

Merger discussion of article Environmental issues in Chandigarh Capital Region into article Chandigarh

Oppose: As the vehicular traffic, river pollution, air pollution of the region is linked, it would be better to have an article on 'Environmental issues' for the region than for individual 5 to 6 small towns. If merging is needed, a better option is merging with Chandigarh Capital Region than Chandigarh. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 08:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Support merger: the "Environmental issues" article has utterly trivial content and the citations in it refer to the town/city of Chadigarh, not the region. In any event, the region is not a defined area as, say, a county is. - Sitush (talk) 08:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Organization of Chandigarh articles

A discussion is ongoing at Chandigarh Capital Region to figure out how to organize articles related to Chandigarh, Greater Chandigarh and related topics. Anyone interested in this article may want to comment on Talk:Chandigarh Capital Region. Thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Census 2001

The 2001 census appears to show a population of 808,796 for the M/Corp. Why is our article saying 900,635? - Sitush (talk) 09:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Economy

Added some information on economy of Chandigarh........ Akshit Sharma..

The government has been a major employer in Chandigarh since it's inception. The government of INDIA, government of Punjab, government of Haryana have their numerous offices in the capital. Almost all major banks have their presence in Chandigarh. State Bank of India(SBI), the largest bank of INDIA has it's reigonal head office in the city. The city also houses many small and medium sized industries which contribute to the city's economy. The periphery of the city also houses large scale industries. Like many other INDIAN cities, Chandigarh also aspires to become a major I.T. outsourcing destination. Rajiv Gandhi Chandigarh Technology Park (RGCTP) was established by Chandigarh administration and is seen as a great success for providing a boost to the city's economy. Numerous I.T. firms have commenced their operations from the technology park. The park is to be developed in 3 phases, out of which phase-1 has been completed , phase-2 is being developed and land acquisition for phase-3 is being done. The adjoining city of Mohali also houses numerous software firms. Due to these developements, the share of government jobs in total jobs of the city is decreasing and the city is slowly becoming cosmopolitan in nature. A recent survey on CEO's of many companies, revealed that they would prefer Chandigarh over other INDIAN cities due to it's "conducive buisness environment". Aksh.7sharma (talk) 08:37, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

In order to add that information to the article, we need to have reliable sources. We would also need to make it neutral, but I can fix that once I see what the sources say. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:31, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Shock of the New

In architectural critic Robert Hughes' 1980 multiple part special "The Shock of the New", Chandigarth is the subject of analysis in one of the parts. The city, at least in 1980, appeared to be a disaster. This Wiki article should A) at least include that the city came under scathing scrutiny in the TV program, and B) has the situation changed at all in the past decades. What is life like now? What is the current thinking on this Utopian vision, both it's architecture, and it's city plan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3keW4XlcmEc

The segment on Chandigarth begins at the 50:00 minute mark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.227.177 (talk) 23:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Weather

Spring and Autumn need to be interchanged

• Also, best I can tell, the chart doesn't match the table, and neither one matches the source. Am I missing something?Rks13 (talk) 04:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Official Language of Chandigarh

Please refer to news here Punjabi is not yet the official language, however approval has been granted to use it on sign boards. Also, official GOI source added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.narinder (talk • contribs) 11:52, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

The source seems to suggest that only English is the official language, and says that Hindi is the most widely spoken language. Although it supports removing of Punjabi, it still begs the question of whether Hindi should be in there (though as a UT, it would be covered by the Central govt's official languages unless there was something specific enacted for Chandigarh like was done for AN or Pondicherry). —SpacemanSpiff 11:59, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, please refer to the source in article as well as news item I shared above, the source reads:

"Communications from a Central Government Office to States/UTs in Region "B" comprising the States of Punjab, Gujarat, Maharashtra and the Union Territory of Chandigarh, shall ordinarily be in Hindi. However, communication to any person in Region "B" may be either in English or Hindi;"

News item clearly states Punjabi is not an official language yet, but some guy seems removing other languages and adding Punjabi every time we change it to Hindi and English. I live in Chandigarh myself and official forms and documents are printed in English as well as Hindi. In my understanding, the official source says it should be Hindi (the excerpt I pasted above). — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.narinder (talk • contribs) 12:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Stop the edit wars

There are a lot of edit wars for the official language and the native names. The names written on the top were Chandigarh in English, then Punjabi and then Hindi, or first Hindi and then Punjabi. There has been an edit war since a long time. Please let it be all the three written. There is no harm to write all the three. Don't delete those names unnecessarily. Let them remain. I will not put all the three names until there is a reply to this message. Kashisharora11 (talk) 09:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, veracity of facts is important. It's incorrect to say that there's "no harm to write all the three". This should rather be protected unless the people who are adding Punjabi have evidence to support their claim. •nix• 16:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.narinder (talk • contribs)

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"Chandigarh is well connected by road, rail, and air services. Following roads pass through he city:

NH 22 (Ambala – Kalka- Shimla – Khab, Kinnaur)

NH 21 (Chandigarh – Manali)" Arminden (talk) 09:58, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Chandigarh is an encyclopedia article, and not a travel brochure

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Adamstraw99 undid 3 edits in a row from 12:32 to 12:41 in 25 May 2018 by IP 171.61.197.22. Adamstraw99 also threatened IP 171.61.197.22 "another revert and you will have a trip to 3RR administrators notice board". Please be civil and discuss the issue here. If both of you didn't reach a consensus and continue to edit war, I may really file a report to 3RR notice board. Thank you. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I want to be civil but this ip user accused me of having agenda of a political party BJP, infact, looking at their talk page warnings it appears they have an anti-BJP agenda and are not here to contribute to the wikipedia... Now, about this content dispute, Kiron Kher is a member of Parliament from Chandigarh from BJP[[4]] and it was mentioned in this article but this ip users is selectivly trying to remove the word BJP from her description and it shows their hatred for the word BJP even if this is a fact that Kiron Kher is indeed a BJP MP from the city...and there is nothing wrong if it is mentioned in her description Adamstraw99 (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

IMO, removing a political party tag does not shows hatred for the political party. Also, there is no need to tag a political party to a person which is already tagged with Member of Parliament AND in a geographical article. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: and there is a politics part here. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

even when this talk page discussion is going on, the ip guy again reverted and calling it "political party advertisement" when there is none, I Am just trying that article must reflect fact... ip guy is still edit warring and not replying here Adamstraw99 (talk) 13:28, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I came here by way of the Teahouse. I think it makes sense to include the political affiliation of a Member of Parliament, though I don't think there are any guidelines about it. I wouldn't see the inclusion as an advertisement, nor the removal as an expression of hatred (unless either one is done in a systematic and pointy manner, of course) but it surely isn't worth edit warring over! "MP of city", which is the IPs phrasing, is not idiomatic English. If the party affiliation is removed, it has to be phrased in a different way. --bonadea contributions talk 13:36, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: I requested for full protection just now in WP:RPP. Shouldn't be a problem for a few days. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:42, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: Hey, four edits in a row now. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:44, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

:: @ bonadea Yes, inclusion is by no means an advertisement but that ip user is terming it is "advertisement"... I Am unable to understand what is wrong in saying she is a BJP MP when it is factually true? the ip guy is recklessly still reverting and not discussing here.. also, a look at their talk page warnings and overall contributions suggest they have some kind of agenda and not here to build the encyclopedia... and Abelmoschus Esculentus, please count the ip guy's edits too, they are reverting from even before i came in ... user @ Arjayay reverted him first before i came in...I will not be reverting now though -- Adamstraw99 (talk) 13:54, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: Yeah I know, the IP may be blocked soon, but he/she is not replying here, so I don't give a damn.

I don't totally disagree with the BJP MP part, but that minor edit does not deserve to have two users blocked. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 14:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@ Abelmoschus Esculentus, I Somehow found that this ip is connected to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Wikiexplorer13. Wikiexplorer13 is evading block.. what a comedy --Adamstraw99 (talk) 14:34, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: Nice. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 15:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

And Finally, SpacemanSpiff has come to the rescue and blocked the ip and protected the article.. It is because the Admins like Spiff the Wikipedia is a success ... I don't think this issue was this much important but thankfully its over now ... Adamstraw99 (talk) 15:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99:Well that’s only for the IP I guess. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 15:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC)