Talk:Cetaganda (fictional empire)

Haut Pel + Dag Benin? Nah.

I removed the following final sentence from the section on Haut Pel, as there is no evidence in the books that Benin is with Haut Pel for any other reason than that connected with duty:

"This suggests that part of Benin's reward for his services has been at least the patronage of Lady Pel, and possibly some form of consort relationship."

As chief of Security in the heart of the Haut, the Celestial Garden, Benin would be expected to provide obvious security in the case of a haut Lady going off-planet to Barrayar (in A Civil Campaign), and his involvement in the return of the haut infants in Diplomatic Immunity would likewise place him at that time and place, quite independent from Pel's presence as a principal as an important leader of the Star Creche. Besides, a haut Lady being given to a ghem as a form of reward is clearly seen as a reduction of status to the haut Lady herself, and Pel is clearly not in any form of lowered status. Cyberherbalist (talk) 06:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Cetaganda

Shouldn't this namespace be used for the article about the novel Cetaganda, rather than the one about the star system? I can't find the policy right now, but my understanding is that Wikipedia is supposed to prividlege real-world objects (ie the novel) over fictional, in-universe topics. I also think that people entering Cetaganda into the search box are much more likely to be looking for information about the book. Euchrid (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Cetaganda (fictional empire). Jenks24 (talk) 07:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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• Cetaganda → Cetaganda (fictional culture)
• Cetaganda (novel) → Cetaganda

– Presently the article Cetaganda (novel) refers to the book by Lois McMaster Bujold and the article Cetaganda refers to the fictional empire in which it is set. Placing the article on the novel under Cetaganda would better match the principle of WP:ASTONISH, as most people searching 'Cetaganda' will be looking for information on the book rather than the fictional empire. It also priviledges the real-world information over the in-universe information, which is required by the Manual of Style on fiction. Euchrid (talk) 02:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support per nom's rationale. Dicklyon (talk) 03:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support per nom In ictu oculi (talk) 05:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
• Support making the novel the main article, for the reasons given in the nom. I'm not sure about the "fictional culture" disambiguation however, as Cetaganda is not once described as a culture in the article. Perhaps Cetaganda (fictional empire), since the word "empire" occurs in the lead? Princess Lirin (talk) 06:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I've no objection to the 'fictional empire' disambiguation. Not sure if you can change a move target mid-request, though.Euchrid (talk) 07:19, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

You can change, Cetaganda (world) would be a disambiguator with precedent Category:Fantasy worlds Category:Fictional universes. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:49, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't like 'world' as much because the word Cetaganda is used to refer to all the planets under Cetagandan control. It's also the capital planet, but the article is about the whole planet. A few similar articles feature the name of the series as the disambiguation - Borg (Star Trek), Cylon (Battlestar Galactica), but that doesn't really work here as both the book and the empire are of the Vorkosigan series. I'm still in favour of 'empire'.Euchrid (talk) 00:10, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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Haut Reproduction

It says in the article that the Haut has 47 chromosomes and are infertile. However, it's not cited and having read all the books, I'm not sure where this information was provided in cannon.