Talk:Certified Arborist

Latest comment: 1 year ago by ClydeFranklin in topic Requested move 21 May 2023

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When I put brackets around the title "Certified Arborist" on other pages it does not create a link to this page; appearantly because of the lower case "a" in arborist in the title of this article. For the professional title, and licensed tradename, of "Certified Arborist" to be correctly represented in other articles it must be capitalized. I know it is the style of Wikipedia to capitalize only the first letter of the first word in the title, but in this case, the title of the Wikipedia article is also a professional title and tradename registered to the International Society of Arboriculture and its licensees. ~~ Michael J Swassing 18:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

While I would hope that consumers of tree care service would contact Certified Arborists in their area, it is not appropriate for tree care businesses to link to their business websites from this article. Otherwise, to be fair, all websites of all Certified Arborists should be linked. This is obviously not possible. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pechaney (talkcontribs) 21:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 21 May 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. WP:TRAINWRECK. Encourage nominator to renominate separately. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 22:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)Reply


WP:SENTENCECASE for these 25 miscellaneous occupation-related certifications per MOS:JOBTITLES, MOS:CAPS (which includes MOS:FIELD and MOS:SIGCAPS), WP:NCCAPS, and RMs at Talk:Certified AM Directional Specialist, Talk:Certified anesthesia technician, Talk:Applied science technology and engineering technology in Canada, Talk:Registered cardiovascular invasive specialist, Talk:Registered nurse certified in neonatal intensive care, Talk:Registered dental nurse, Talk:Aircraft maintenance engineer, and Talk:Aircraft maintenance technician. These are not proper names or the formal titles of globally unique entities (like Prime Minister of the United Kingdom). Please note that for two of these (Certified Arborist and Certified Hotel Administrator), this is a proposed revert of a previous move. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose (open-minded): These do not appear to be job titles but rather credentials. MOS:CREDENTIALS does not say that those are generally common nouns. I am not sure these pages should be different from, say, Juris Doctor. Talk:Certified Public Accountant/Archives/2019 gives a prominent example of a contrary precedent. Also, some of these may be trademarks, such as (it appears from external link) Certified Risk Analyst. Plus most of the top Google results appear to capitalize it. Have you done a case-by-case check to see whether these appear to commonly be used in lower case? SilverLocust (talk) 09:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Support with possible exceptions. Some I checked (e.g. certified paralegal, certified quality auditor) do not claim to be "credentials", and the ones that are should be written to be more clear that the article is about the credential, with title italicized (being about the phrase itself), or should be rewritten if possible to be about the profession instead of the certification. Dicklyon (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
    Setting aside the first article, the next eight listed articles all begin by saying it's a "credential" or "certification," many of them saying one offered by some particular organization, which strongly suggests it would be a proper noun and trademark (WP:TMRULES). So this is not just a few exceptions. SilverLocust (talk) 01:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Support, except perhaps in trademarked cases, since these are generally not consistently capitalized in independent sources. Same goes for some ones not listed above, like certified public accountant. They mainly seem to be capitalized by those including them in their CVs and by organizations offering training to get these titles. MOS:CREDENTIALS and MOS:JOBTITLES don't seem to directly address this yet, but should; it's clearly against the intent and spirit of JOBTITLES to capitalize those that are not proper-name trademarks. We should probably also not be capitalizing things like juris doctor and bachelor of science for the same reasons (plus MOS:FIELD). All of this suggests that over-capitalization of some credentials has been "gotten away with", that it's a loophole that's not been closed, when JOBTITLES and FIELD make it clear we don't mean to capitalize anything like this.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  06:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose, at least as a bulk nom, per SilverLocust. Google results seem to indicate that many of these aren't exactly intended as running text. I had to go 10 entries deep in Google before I saw a lowercase a "certified arborist." It's possible some could move, but I don't think there's a guiding principle unifying these cases - there needs to be a COMMONNAME analysis for each one individually. SnowFire (talk) 04:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nom. Not proper names. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:51, 6 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
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