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Social liberal?
Wouldn't it more accurate to call it just 'centrist'? Especially as FP-L is labelled social liberal, may be Centre party could be just centrist? --Constanz - Talk 14:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Immigration?
I think that the whole chapter of 'Immigration' in one way or another misinterprets the sydsvenskan article. 1) its not really right to divide Swedish parties in pro- or anti-Immigration. There are certainly some explicit anti-Immigration outfits, but they are outside of the political mainstream. 2) Sweden doesn't have a 'green card' system, the (c) proposal is intended to introduce such a scheme on Canadian model. --Soman 10:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Describing ideology
The Centre Party describes its ideology on this page on its website [1] (with my translation in italics, my emphasis):
Alla människors lika värde och rättigheter är grunden för Centerpartiets politik. Vi är ett grönt socialliberalt parti. Det yttersta målet är att var och en ska kunna växa som människa och ha möjlighet att förverkliga sina drömmar. Ansvar för varandra och för naturen ska vara vägledande när samhället formas.
Every person's equal value and rights are the basis of the Centre Party's policy. We are a green social liberal party. The final goal is that everyone shall be able to grow as a person and have the opportunity to make their dreams real. Responsibility for each other and for nature should guide the forming of society.
I think that the party's own view should be integrated into the introduction to the article, and I have tried to do that without deleting anything. Please feel free to improve on my effort. Tamino 20:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Ideology and change of "neoliberalism" to "libertarianism"
"Nyliberalism", "neoliberalism", is, in Sweden, a word used almost randomly to describe the ideologies of anyone libertarian or classically liberal. The correct expression would indeed be "liberatarianism" og "classical liberalism". The first, I find, is more fitting.
Anyway, Centerpartiet is both by ideology and policy social liberal, so I find that social liberalism should be presented as the "primary" ideology —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.243.82.89 (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Richest political party in the world
"In 2005 the Centre Party sold its ownership of the newspaper group Centertidningar AB for 1.8 billion SEK,[8] thus making it the richest political party in the world.[9]" Apart from that it is debatable that there are no richer parties (e. g. the German social democrats own a vast media empire), the sentence is obviously nonsense: The assets were property of the party before. If the buyer didn't pay more then the fair value, there was no gain in that sale. It might have made the party the richest in cash, but not the richest - it already was that if there is no other party with more assets (1.8 billion SEK are "only" 180 m Euro, if I remember correctly from my last visit to Sweden). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.129.49.132 (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Centre vs. Center
Please stop changing the spelling of 'centre'. As long as they have official[2] documents that use British spelling, and the page title wears the same, there's no reason to change spelling. Skrofler (talk) 00:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Misrepresentation of current popularity
The article is misleading, in that it gives the impression that the Centre is a growing, successful party. Since the 2006 election, the party has seen consistent decline on the national level, to the point that it is currently under threat of falling out of parliament at the upcoming election. --90.229.151.142 (talk) 22:50, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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Social Liberal and Centre-right?
These are mutually exclusive. Social liberalism is centre/centre-left and centre right parties are either libertarian or christian democratic, so which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.126.204.215 (talk) 23:57, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I would say they are "centre-left-to-centre-right." Centrepartiet is a Green-Liberal party, so classifying them is difficult. They are essentially Green-Liberals.
Centrepartiet supports immigration (typically centre-left or left) but wants decentralisation (typically centre-right). Unlike liberalerna, centrepartiet has support from all across the political spectrum.
I back-up my original claim of them having influence from the centre-left by the fact that centerpartiet backs-up Stefan Löfven.
However, sources place them as "centre-to-centre-right." It is confusing. Wikipedia seems to prefer the use of sources, though.
Best wishes,
184.22.249.124 (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I would say the status of centrepartiet's position is controversial. If you want a "safe" answer, you can go with that.
Social liberalism is usually centre and/or centre-left, but sometimes centre-right.
Best wishes,
184.22.216.231 (talk) 08:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
"Position" in infobox
A few comments on recent addition of 'centre-left'. A number of references have been added, but none of them back up the assertion that (C) would qualify as 'centre-left'.
- [3] - an editorial urging (C) to take a left turn. It affirms that the party leadership is firmly neoliberal, and that the agenda document adopted in 2021 opposes left politics and socialism. "I över ett decennium har Centerpartiet varit ett rätt kompromisslöst nyliberalt parti, starkt präglat av Annie Lööfs kärntrupp i "Stureplanscentern". Privatiseringar, avregleringar, motstånd mot facken och skattesänkningar har varit hjärtefrågorna." ('For over a decade the Centre Party has been a non-compromising neoliberal party, heavily influenced by Annie Lööf's core group in "the Stureplan Centre". Privatizations, deregulations, resistance against trade unions and lower taxes have been key issues.'). Notably the author, in response to a comment below, states that "På den klassiska höger-vänster-skalan skulle jag säga att Centerpartiet står till höger om Moderaterna." ('In the classic right-left scale I'd say that the Centre Party stands to the right of the Moderates [Conservative Party]')
- [4] is an opinion piece by a (M) politician, accusing (C) of breaking ranks with the bourgeois bloc.
- [5] an editorial, talking about the parliamentary game of alliances and vote counts in parliament. Says nothing about the policies of (C), gives no indication of the political position of the party.
- [6] in an editorial, for a far-right perspective, trying to scape-goat (C) for the break-up of the centre-right bloc. It says nothing about the position of (C) as such, only plays on fears of a leftwing boogey man.
- [7] - editorial, dedicated solely to speculations on possible future actions and constellations. No indication to back up the claim that (C) is a 'centre-left' party.
All in all, all references are editorials/opinion pieces and are used in a faulty manner. --Soman (talk) 22:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Old article for an outdated position, see reason below.
"Ett mittenvänsterblock tycks formera sig i svensk politik. I en intervju med GP öppnar Vänsterpartiets partiledare, Nooshi Dadgostar, upp för ett regeringssamarbete med Centerpartiet. Enligt Dadgostar blir det omöjligt för en rödgrön regering att leda landet om inte Socialdemokraterna, Miljöpartiet, Vänsterpartiet och Centerpartiet inleder ett närmare politiskt samarbete.
”Önskedrömmar”, svarar partiledaren Annie Lööf (C).
Men Lööfs uttalanden från tidigare valrörelser ger skäl till att misstro partiledarens löften i regeringsfrågan. Annie Lööf lovade trots allt inför valet 2014 att äta upp sin högra sko om hon lät partiet bli stödhjul åt Socialdemokraterna. Fyra år senare blev Centerpartiet ett stödparti till regeringen Löfven."
The article by 'dalademokraten', never heard of the newspaper before, but regardless this old centre-right opinion-article was made in 2013, during the time of the centre-right 'Alliansen'. As stated by GP, back then Lööf said she would eat her shoe than collaborate with Stefan and now she openly wants to collaborate with Stefan stating she wishes to continue this collaboration with the left. So things have changed, I respect your opinion and won't add centre-left unless I can find some articles in the future. However it is absurd too call it centre-right today with only a single old opinion article made during the centre-right block. I will therefore instead just remove centre-right and keep it centre.
https://www.dalademokraten.se/artikel/centerpartiet-glider-at-hoger
If you can find one or more credible newspaper that calls her centre-right during the last 2 years, I would be surprised but would respect that.
In this discussion page, I also saw other users pointing that out:
″Social Liberal and Centre-right? These are mutually exclusive. Social liberalism is centre/centre-left and centre right parties are either libertarian or christian democratic, so which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.126.204.215 (talk) 23:57, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I would say they are "centre-left-to-centre-right." Centrepartiet is a Green-Liberal party, so classifying them is difficult. They are essentially Green-Liberals.
Centrepartiet supports immigration (typically centre-left or left) but wants decentralisation (typically centre-right). Unlike liberalerna, centrepartiet has support from all across the political spectrum.
I back-up my original claim of them having influence from the centre-left by the fact that centerpartiet backs-up Stefan Löfven.
However, sources place them as "centre-to-centre-right." It is confusing. Wikipedia seems to prefer the use of sources, though.
Best wishes,
184.22.249.124 (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I would say the status of centrepartiet's position is controversial. If you want a "safe" answer, you can go with that.
Social liberalism is usually centre and/or centre-left, but sometimes centre-right.
Best wishes,
184.22.216.231 (talk) 08:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
All the best, and I appreciate your work to Wikipedia, Soman.
BastianMAT (talk) 11:04, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Bastian
- Thanks. I think that these issues underline why overall, "position" isn't helpful in infoboxes. "Position" on left-right scale is always subjective and arbitrary. However, that said I think a few points can be made;
- Traditionally (C) has been seen as the (unsurprisingly) the political centre in Swedish politics, in-between Social Democrats and Moderates. This has for a long time been quite uncontroversial.
- Within (C) there used to be a leftist minority in the 1970s and 1980s, the so-called "Åsa-Nisse Marxists" (see sv:Åsa-Nisse-marxism). That phenomenon is now almost vanished.
- In the 2000s there was a shift in the positioning of (C), as a group representing strong neoliberal trend became increasingly powerful and eventually seized control over the party. It did away with the social liberal/regionalist line that had dominated the party for decades. Today the party competes with (M) to be the party of big business, effectively occupying a firm right-wing position on social/economic policies.
- Now that shift to the right isn't entirely coherent with the alliances made. Whilst (M) and (KD) have entered in arrangements with (SD), (C) has stayed aloof and preferred cooperation with (S). In brief the economic policy of the government has been dictated by (C), so they hardly moved to a 'centre-left' position. Rather it could be said that (C) allowed (S) to stay in government but ensured that economic policies would not be social democratic.
- The dilemma is that the terms 'centre-left' or 'centre-right' aren't frequently used in Swedish politics.
- Per https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2020-04/117-132%20Richard%20Svensson.pdf and https://snsse.cdn.triggerfish.cloud/uploads/2021/03/demokratiradets-rapport-2021-polarisering-i-sverige.pdf it would seem that the label 'centre to centre-right' is justified.
- --Soman (talk) 22:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think that these issues underline why overall, "position" isn't helpful in infoboxes. "Position" on left-right scale is always subjective and arbitrary. However, that said I think a few points can be made;