Talk:Central Time Zone/Archive 1

Archive 1

Coverage of U.S. States

I thought that to describe that part of Texas in the Central Time Zone as "eastern" and that portion of Michigan as "western" would be accurate but misleading. So I have taken out the second division in the list of states at least partly covered by the Central Time Zone. They are now listed as entirely covered or portions covered. --Acjelen 21:59, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Indiana

The parts of Indiana in the Central Time Zone observe Daylight Savings Time. --Alexwcovington (talk) 21:51, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The "POV Map"

Granted, the map only includes the United States, but does that really disqualify its inclusion in this article? --Feitclub 20:27, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

I never thought the map was ideal, but it was better than nothing. I would be in favour of a map that includes Canada as well, given the context of these time-zone articles are primarily English-speaking areas of North America, although to be entirely fair a map that extends through Central America would be proper. -Alexwcovington (talk) 07:44, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mountain time zone

The article states that all of Texas is in the central time zone which is not the case. My hometown El Paso is in the Mountain time zone [1] also looked up Kentucky [2] which is .--Dakota 02:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Broadcasting concerns

It sounds acceptable to me that programming is aired simultaneously in the Eastern and Central zones, but how do the Mountain and Pacific time zones address the problems? Do they use tape delays like they do in Australia? Scott Gall 13:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

When I was visting Salt Lake City, they tape delayed prime time one hour to start at 7 MST. (I assume this applies in the rest of the MST, possibly excepting Arizona.) I lived in CA for several years growing up. For the Pacific Timezone, programs are tape delayed three hours so that prime time starts at 8 PST. Jon 18:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

When the rest of the country is observing Daylight Saving Time, are broadcast schedules in Arizona tape-delayed 2 hours (as they are on MST all year round) or 3 hours (as they are synchronized with PDT?) Scott Gall 03:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC) PS: And before Indiana observed DST, were programs tape-delayed during the summer period (as they used EST during the winter) or not (as CDT was used during the summer?) And what do Alaska and Hawaii do about the timezone problem?

I'd sugest checking the Arizona, Alaska, Hawaii pages and if you don't find anything there post in decussion; they'd be more knowledgeable there. As to Indiana, the last one or two years before that change it was a big mess. Some stations treated Indiana during the summer as being on CDT (and thus no tape delay) while others tape delayed everything an hour in the summer so that primetime would start at 8 PM all year round. (Special events such as live sporting excluded). Like everything else related to time in Indiana this was highly controversal, early risers tended to prefered no tape delay and late risers tended to prefer the tape delay. Also, since the change, sporting events broadcasted on national TV from the Indianapolis area during the summer start an hour later locally to keep the event at the same time for the rest of the country. 168.166.196.40 15:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Chihuahua

Hello, I just want to mention that the Mexican state of Chihuahua does not belong to this time zone; it belongs to UTC-7. Would someone please change that. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mauri.carrasco (talk • contribs) 00:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

- Note that the reference links to text and pdf's in reference table 1 are broken; result is "permission denied" on the server it refers to. references should be updated or removed. thanks

Further broadcasting concerns

Everyone assumes it was because of structural issues that eastern and central were broadcast simultaneously. Do we have a more specific reason? Do we have a source? [unknown user]

It's probably true, but a better explanation is necessary. [unknown user]

Yes; there's quite a few US TV & Radio markets split between Eastern & Central Timezones. Most significantly, Tallahassee, FL, Chatt. TN, Lexington, KY, and Louisville, KY are all just east of the Central-East timezone divide and have first ring suburbs in the Central timezone. Jon 19:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

There's actualy an additional reason at this point to keep it this way; normal work hours appear to start and end an hour later local in the Eastern timezone compared to Central, perhaps a response to the one hour difference in prime time. (Comparision is between Memphis / Nashville / St Louis / Chicago on Central and Atlanta & New York on Eastern.) Still we need a sources to include that. Jon 17:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

uncited lines removed

"Phenix City, Alabama, and the surrounding countryside, while officially in Central Time, observe Eastern Time because of close ties to Columbus, Georgia. The town of Kenton, Oklahoma, although residing in the Central Time Zone, observes Mountain Time." In addition to a lack of citiation; this would appear (if local govt agencyies actually sets the clock those ways; private citizens can set their clocks however they wish) to be in violation of the federal law regarding the setting of time zones. Jon 22:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I happen to know for a fact that Phenix City Alabama DOES NOT observe central time and is infact in the central time zone therefore it is also inaccurate to state that ALL of the Alabama is in the central time zone... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starnexus (talk • contribs) 07:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Phenix City and Kenton lack the statutory authority to decide what time it is (the latter isn't even an incorporated town). Time Zones are defined at the USGOV level: 15 USC 260 et. seq., [3]. In fact, 15 USC 265 specifically orders the Secretary of Transporation to put the CT/MT line along the western border of OK and TX (with a subsequent exception for El Paso and Hudspeth Counties ), and authorizes various railroads to use stations in NM as the demarcation point between the zones. I'm taking out these local "exceptions" that have not been approved by USDOT, but may throw in a paragraph mentioning some of them and their unofficial status. The Monster (talk) 03:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Nunavut not a Province

I thought it was erroneous to list Nunavut among the list of Canadian Provinces that are under Central Time Zone and another time zone. Nunavut is a territory, not a province. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkannan87 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Name change

Currently the name is Central Time Zone (Americas). This name is appropriate as a redirect to UTC−06. This article shoud be named Central Time Zone (North America). For example Easter Island has daylight time at the opposite seasons that the regions shown in this article have. Esmito (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Changed. Esmito (talk) 19:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect change - reverted - the daylight savings issues should be detailed in this article - North America itself has more than one rule, depending on the country. Blahblah32blahblah (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Time Zone name applies to whole region [4]

This is not true. Eastern Island is not even in the Americas. The name Central Time Zone is a year round abbreviation of CST/CDT. If the time zone name applied to the whole region then UTC−06 would not exist. It's either the merge of Central Time Zone (Americas) into UTC−06 or the name change to Central Time Zone (North America). Esmito (talk) 22:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

North America itself has more than one rule, depending on the country

Then name the article "Central Time Zone (United States and Canada)" and delete everything Mexican. This or the merging into UTC−06. Esmito (talk) 22:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

To merge or not to merge

See [5] and [6]

Either this article is about UTC−06 and then it should be merged there, or it is about CST/CDT. In the latter case Central American countries don't belong here. Esmito (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

They do belong here, in the English usage, Central America is included as part of North America, and I'm agree it should be renamed as Central Time Zone (North America), excluding Oceanian and South American regions. --Jcmenal (talk) 23:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I know the English usage of continents. However what we are talking about is whether this article is about CST/CDT or about UTC−06. Central American countries are not in CST/CDT, only in UTC-6. Esmito (talk) 23:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I see your point, article should be renamed as Central Time Zone (North America), Central American and other regions removed, due just Canada, United States and Mexico use CST/CDT. --Jcmenal (talk) 23:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

This article is about CST a time zone of Mexico, Canada and the US, so it should be renamed to North America. Central American countries do not belong here. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 01:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunatley, not only was the first move reverted, you misspelled it in your move attmpt: there is no "North Americas", just one! You need to initiate a formal move discussion, and try to gain a consensus for your prefered (and correct) title first. Failurs to do this can result in a loss of editing priviliges by a block. Also, since you moved the page to a misspelling, it can now only be moved to the correct spelling by an administrator, who will want to see a consensu first. - BilCat (talk) 04:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

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Central Time Zone (Americas) → Central Time Zone (North America) — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Currently the page is about what is normally known as CST/CDT. In the Southern Hemisphere, where the smaller half of the Americas is, daylight change is in the opposite months. Therefore, currently this article is about a North America, not about the Americas. If someone thinks that the article should be about the Americas, then a merge with UTC−06 should be done, which I think would not be a good thing. Esmito (talk) 04:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support - I agree with the move. And sorry for the typo I made when trying to move it! AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 10:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - In normal English-language usage, Central America and the Caribbean regions are not always included in the term "North America". So, using "Americas" is probably a more inclusive term. It does not have to mean that the term is used in South America, though if it is used at all in Panama, South America would be included. - BilCat (talk) 12:06, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

The problem here is that somebody added Central America recently. The article originally was only about CST, a time zone observed only in Mex, Can and US. The time zone known as UTC-6 (that already has an article) includes Central America, the Caribbean and some South American countries. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 21:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

1) Central America and the Caribbean don't have daylight savings time. This time zone is really about USA and Canada. 2) The Central part of the Americas is UTC-05. Labeling UTC-06 as "Central Time Zone (Americas)" is American centered. Wikipedia should have a global point of view. 3) Most people would say Panama is fully in Central America. However, see point 2. Esmito (talk) 04:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC) PS: If you think that Panama (being so near the Equator) might have daylight saving time, then you know nothing about geography. And Panama is in UTC-05 all year round, therefore, nothing to do with this article. Esmito (talk) 13:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

It is about North America, meaning Mexico, Canada and the US. The three have daylight savings. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 07:26, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

• Support - Current title is misleading, CST/CDT are a North America thing. Some South American countries do have their daylight saving times, but in different months of the year and with other names. --capmo 06:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

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Omission of Montana from both central and mountain time zones

Hello I realize the writer(s) are very busy, but they appear to have omitted Montana from both the Central and Mountain times zones, which I suspect makes Montanans feel they aren't part of the fifty states, which reminded me of a friend whose cell phone service claimed all fifty states, but didn't include Montana for some reason...

I hope this can be remedied soon,

Thanks for reading —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.137.44 (talk) 01:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Quote statute with cite, second Sunday of March, first Sunday of November

... During the period commencing at 2 o’clock antemeridian on the second Sunday of March of each year and ending at 2 o’clock antemeridian on the first Sunday of November of each year ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdncntx (talk • contribs) 18:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

References

WikiProject Canada?

It seems strange that this page is part of WikiProject Canada but not part of WikiProject United States or WikiProject Mexico. Should we consider removing the WikiProject Canada tag? Guy Macon (talk) 22:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

CST – Central Standard Time

I found, CST stands for Central Standard Time
But THIS is NOT in the article (! ?why?) www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/... • Information about the time zone abbreviation CST – Central Standard Time • --129.69.140.138 (talk) 14:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: Moved per obvious consensus. Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC) Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Central Time Zone (North America) → Central Time Zone – Central Time Zone already redirects here. Per WP:PRECISION the DAB is incorrect unless other "Central Time Zone" articles are created, which would be the Australian, but it is covered at Time in Australia. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:51, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Just so. --BDD (talk) 04:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:Systematic bias. Australia is an English-speaking locality, just as US/Canada are. That we have a North American distribution bias in the editorship of Wikipedia should not weight our titling towards North America where separate subjects share the same name. Clearly the primary topic in Australian English for Central Time Zone is the Australian one, versus North American English and the one in North America, which has a different name in South America (and separate article) though it is the same time zone -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

How the essay Wikipedia:Systemic bias is stronger or has a valid point against the policy WP:AT? If this article were "Central Time Zone (Africa)", I would still requesting its move per PRECISION. There aren't "systematic bias" just common sense and a correct use of policies. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 22:17, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support. As to AU, current local time, ACST.[7] Here is a list of all of the time zones around the world.[8] Apteva (talk) 06:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support already redirects here. Hot Stop 02:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support It already redirects here. Canuck^{89 (what's up?)} 07:09, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Arguably, given that there's about five thousand times as many people in the North American Central Time Zone , even if there were an article at Central Time Zone (Australia), I think the NA zone would have primary topic. Red Slash 03:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
• Weak Support, but only if there is a hatnote on the resulting article directing users to the Australian time zone article, and it is vastly more commonly known as "Central Time" in Australia, not "Australian Central Time". Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 06:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC).
• Support. I have to agree with 65.94.76.126 that it does introduce a bias (without technically violating the WP:AT or WP:PRECISION policies), but ultimately the page does currently redirect here. If someone chooses to create separate articles for the time zones in Australia (or Africa?) then we can revisit the naming issue. In the meantime, the cleanup is worth the change. I also support Lankiveil's request. Spectral85 (talk) 06:26, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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"Saskatchewan Time" is not "Daylight Savings Time"...

In the last paragraph of the "Canada" section, it's stated that "most of the province of Saskatchewan is on Central Standard Time year round." The next sentence is contradictory. "it is effectively on DST year round." As someone who lives in Saskatchewan, I can attest to the fact that in the winter we share the same time as Manitoba (Central Standard Time) but then in the summer we don't change, and are still using Central Standard Time. I suppose since we share time with Alberta in the summer one could also say that we're effectively on Mountain Daylight Time year round, as the two are effectively the same; however, we don't observe Daylight Savings Time at all, so I believe the latter to be inaccurate. I don't believe the second sentence I quoted serves any purpose in this article, and if there are no objections, I'd like to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.65.180.245 (talk) 22:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

SPECIFY NORTH AMERICA

North America isn't the only continent with a Central Time Zone referred to as "Central Time" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cityrailsaints (talk • contribs) 03:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Clarification on what North America means

For those who are more concerned with land masses than with culture, the term North America refers to the entire northern half of The Americas. This is without prejudice to whether the Central American countries (or Mexico) should be considered part of North America - which is really a cultural question.

I recognize that the Spanish word norteamericano refers only to people from the US and Canada, and specifically excludes Mexico (according to my Pimsleur Spanish tapes). But this is the English Wikipedia.

We only need "(North America)" because Central Time is observed on three different continents with, of course, different time offsets. --Uncle Ed (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank You for acknowleding that North America isn't the only place with a Central Time Zone Cityrailsaints (talk) 03:38, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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Central America Time Zone is not North America CT

This is confusing for me as well, but while the article states that Central American countries "use" Central Time Zone, this is incorrect, they use "Central America Time Zone" which is UTC-6 year-round. And while CT is UTC-6 some months, this seems to be an issue of intersection rather than equivalency. I would propose to add a clarification note about this, with a link to [UTC−06:00]. But! I'm not sure about international regulations about this. I just know that in Central America, CT is disregarded as a north-american (Canada,US,MX) thing and UTC-6 time zone is used without the need to refer to it as 'Central' as it doesn't apply geographically or culturally. Roqz (talk) 16:15, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

This page is factually untrue

Standard time zones in the United States are currently defined at the federal level by law 15 USC §260. The "Central Time Zone" is therefore legally defined for use only in the United States, and not elsewhere. Other countries have different legal implementations: Mexico, El Salvador (page 10) Oavaldezi (talk) 14:17, 20 November 2019 (UTC) oavaldezi

Time

What time is it in est right now 174.252.130.144 (talk) 19:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

United States bias

By calling this article just "Central Time Zone", it has a bias for United States (and Canada, but we know it's US bias). The international generic name is "North American Central Time Zone", like how it is "Australian Central Time" internationally but "Central Time" in Australia. An exception is "Central European Time", which is usually called by this name.

It's similar to calling the article United States dollar for just "dollar", because it's just called that in USA. Or if the short ton article was just called "ton". Liggliluff (talk) 14:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)