Talk:Cebu (historical polity)

Added info re Rajah Tupas

Just adding info here from William Henry Scott (1992), Looking for the prehispanic Filipino: and other essays in Philippine history, New Day Publishers, pp. 42–43, ISBN 9789711005245. Others can judge whether or not it belongs in the article. The paragraph which spans those pages says that Rajah Tupas must have been born in 1497, this info apparently coming from records of a second baptism at age 70 on 21 March 1568. He was married to his cousin, the eldest child of Rajah Humabon. There is no record of his having inherited his father-in-law's titles, but Legaspi mistakenly thought that he was Humabon's son and treated him as the king of Cebu. Scott says that Tupas had a younger brother named Makyo who was a very dominating personalty in interactions with Legaspi, which Scott says could be explained by assuming that Makyo was brother-in-law to Tupas rather than brother—a younger son of Humabon who had been bypassed in favor of his elder sister (the wife of Tupas). The info in the book is a bit more detailed, but that's the gist. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure go ahead! this article is new anyway we need as much new info as we can muster. Also I think we should connect this to other articles so that it would benefit alot of people!!

Regards Gintong Liwanag Ng Araw (talk) 09:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC) ————————————————— I just happened to drop by and read. About the reference to the battle of Cebu, are we sure about the date? Legaspi arrived at Cebu in 1565. So I don't think the Battle of Cebu happened in 1497. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.135.194 (talk) 07:58, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Rajahnate?

What is a Rajahnate? A kingdom is meant here. I think common words should be used before coining a new word.Fahim (talk) 13:54, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Rajahnate is a specific term for an Indicized state, like Sultanate is for an Arabized/Islamized state. 49.205.251.182 (talk) 15:44, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Singhapala in regards to visayan epic Aginid, Bayok sa atong Tawarik

About the capital of the Rajahanate of cebu called Singhapala , there are statement's existing about this , according to the Aginid, Bayok sa atong Tawarik, a Visayan folk story , Singhapala was founded and reside by Sri Lumay (c.1200 CE.) , who was a prince of Chola Dynastythat ruled Sumatra then who settled in Sugbo with his son, Sri Alho, they ruled the south known as Sialo which included Valladolid, Carcar, up to Santander.

The location was centered in now Mabolo (via Philstar.com (with the citations from the https://www.philstar.com/cebu-lifestyle/2009/09/13/504558/aginid))

Here's the statements from Anginid tale and i quote:

Although a strict ruler, Sri Lumay was a loving person that not a single slave ran away from him. During his reign, the Magalos (literally destroyers of peace) who came from Southern Mindanao from time to time invaded the island to loot and hunt for slaves. Sri Lumay commanded to burn the town each time the southerners came to drive them away empty handed. Later, they fought these Magalos (Moro raiders) so that they leave the town for good.

The town was thus permanently called Kang Sri Lumayng Sugbo, or Sri Lumay’s scorched town. Trading was vibrantly carried on by Sri Lumay’s people with merchants from China, Japan, India, and Burma in Parian, located at the northeastern part of Cebu City.

The archipelago was strategically positioned in southeast Asia that it naturally became part of the trade route of the ancient world. Agricultural products were bartered for Chinese silk cloths, bells, porcelain wares, iron tools, oil lamps, and medicinal herbs. From Japan, perfume and glass utensils were usually traded with native goods. Ivory products, leather, precious and semi-precious stones and sarkara (sugar) mostly came from the Burmese and Indian traders.

Sri Lumay was killed in one of the battles against the magalos and was succeeded by his youngest son Sri Bantug who ruled Singhapala .

“Bantug carried on his father’s rules throughout his reign. He organized umalahukwans (reporters) to urge people in Nahalin and Sialo to obey his orders, especially on agricultural production and defense.

I think in corresponding to N0n3up's doing, H/She seems turning to be "nonstop" on reverting any legit information, The source(s) and citations were Valid and on the scope! (WP:SOURCE) as always he's seem to disregard the information quality and its supporting reference just for the sake of his Ego (or possibly H/She have an interests) about the content dispute, which is obviously valid (as if he was so afraid on a sock or other issue he have), this egoistic user is only trying to May imply something according on his supposed version, if not at the first place why will you try to omit information with a valid source backing? (https://www.philstar.com/cebu-lifestyle/2009/09/13/504558/aginid), Philstar or The Philippine Star was a legal news paper in the Philippines (you or anyone can check the website of this newspaper) in short your ego wouldn't help the improvement of the article.(Enola gay0 (talk) 07:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC))

I don't know about the user N0n3up but the term Singhapala actually has corroboration in Spanish records, Magellan's Expedition Scribe Antonio Pigafetta stated that "Cingapola" was a town under the Cebu Rajah's jurisdiction. It was directly stated in Spanish records that Singhapala or a variant of that spelling, "Cingapola" existed.--Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. (talk) 13:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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