Talk:Castle Rising Castle/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ian Rose (talk · contribs) 10:30, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't know why but I've always loved the name of this place, and I haven't even visited it. Will aim to review by the weekend at least... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:30, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Toolbox check

• No dab links
• ELs seem okay

Prose -- copyediting as usual so pls check I haven't misunderstood anything; outstanding points/queries:

• "Historians Beric Morley and David Gurney believe this to be "one of the finest of all Norman keeps", and its military utility and political symbolism have been extensively discussed by historians." -- just a suggestion but any chance of one of the "historians" being replaced by "academics" or something else, to avoid repetition? Y fixed Duffit5 (talk) 18:15, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
• "an upwardly mobile Anglo-Norman noble" is one of the most quaintly anachronistic expressions I've read on WP but it's a great form of shorthand so feel free to leave it and we'll see if reviewers at ACR/FAC object... ;-)

• I was tempted to go for "nouveau riche" or "a noble on the make"...! He was definitely on the up-and-up socially... :) Hchc2009 (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

• Two "would have been"s in quick succession -- can we reword one as "may have been" or "is believed to have been" or some such? Y fixed Duffit5 (talk) 18:15, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
• Does "anti-Semitism" generally include a capital? I'd have thought not but may be wrong...

• It can be either, I think; the article on the wiki proposes it can be done either way. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Up to 14th Century, more later... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:11, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

• Resuming, "impressive", as in "impressive, timber-framed, brick kitchen", sounds a bit opinionated to me -- can we simply say "large" or something like that?

• The original source has it as "striking" - it seems to imply something more than just large. I'll have a quick think. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

• I've gone for "imposing", which sounds less POV than "striking", but reasonably close to the original source. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• Sounds like a good choice. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:43, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• "a new set of buildings were" -- I'd generally expect it to be "was" to agree with the singular "set", but in BritEng I think you treat nouns denoting groups as plural, yeah?

• I do, but my grammar is idiosyncratic even by Brit standards. Happy to be corrected! Hchc2009 (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

• "one of the murals tower along the walls" -- doesn't sound right grammatically, has one of us missed something?

• Sloppily worded; have deleted the superfluous "murals". Hchc2009 (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

• "the rights to the castle changed hands privately several times" -- intrigued, does "privately" mean "secretly"?

• No... in this case it is meaning "by private arrangement", as opposed to royal charter. I've trimmed back, as the distinction doesn't added much to the narrative. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Structure/comprehensiveness/referencing -- seem perfectly adequate to me as an admitted non-expert on fortification articles (although I know the basics about this one from my book on English castles, which memorably describes the keep as "a hulking brute").

Supporting materials -- infobox looks okay; I'd have thought that the following images needed a tag re. country of origin (Britain presumably) as well as the US:

• File:Castle Rising Castle chapel in Victorian period.jpg
• File:Castle rising by BYRNE, WILLIAM - GMII.jpg
• File:Plan of Castle Rising Castle.jpg
• File:Castle Rising, plan.png

• Agree - will do so shortly. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

• Image tags should now all be updated. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:34, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• Okay, passing as GA -- look fwd to seeing at ACR and/or FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:43, 14 December 2013 (UTC)