Talk:Carolynn Sells

Uncited content

These three references are extremely poor for a WP:BLP, two being very superficial listings. Much of the prose appears to be personal commentary and WP:OR, ferinstance, Khaylock as the sole substantial contributor how do you know the birthdate? Are you related to the subject of the article?--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

No, I'm not related to her, but I am a fan. Well, I was a fan when she was racing - her winning a Manx GP was a major milestone, as the first & only woman to win a race on the TT course - http://www.isleofman.com/News/details/30022/sells-honoured-by-government. I thought her omission from Wikipedia's pantheon of motorcycle road racers deserved to be fixed. I included the DoB info just for consistency, & because it's a standard field in the Motorcycle Rider Infobox subclass - I literally hit her up on Twitter, explained that I was doing a Wikipedia entry for her racing career & asked her for some info, some racing pictures I could use that she had the rights to publish under a CC licence &c. She was happy to oblige & sent me a bunch of info on top. Clearly the article at present is barely more than a stub but it is a work in progress & I intend to improve the quality of the article, & will select better citations as I go. e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/isleofman/content/articles/2009/09/04/carolynnsells_feature.shtml

I'm specifically pushing back against the 'notable person' bit of the critique. The rest will be fixed urgently. Ken Haylock (talk) 11:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

You are demonstrating your lack of Wiki-experience here Khaylock - there is no need for any 'push back' - the notability template is there to alert any passing editor, fan, enthusiast that this article lacks the standard definitions and - perhaps - they could help out with sources. I anticipated this, as....I've done this before . All it means in real-life terms is that more published accounts are needed for now and the future. I didn't even know I had this on my watchlist - I think it was your determination to hack into the rider template(s) still with red errors that alerted me. I've skimmed her Facebook presence, and I can see she has featured in other publications. I like some of the pics, especially the slimline 650 Triton. I have Googled you, too. There is a one-off achievement that qualifies a person for notability that I won't go into; this has been considered by myself, but the Notability top-tag is the best option, I feel. It's not intended as an attack, just a flag to others. Have a look at Paul Dobbs and Billy Redmayne.

The anecdotal accounts from the lady herself are a no-no. Of course I've seen it all before...Rgds--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll make sure everything is independently evidenced... I've hit her up to release the photo & she has apparently submitted now. Ken Haylock (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I've had to nominate for deletion the image(s) associated with this article; Wikimedia Commons is entirely separate to English-language Wikipedia, and images uploaded without correct licencing need to be discussed by their community. Looking at the upload detail, I have concluded there is much anecdotally-sourced content here; WP:BIO content needs to be supported by reliable published sources.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

• By Googling her name, I have established that the full version of the image appearing as cropped in this article was published on Facebook, 7 October 2013.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

See the page on Wikimedia - this image is correctly CC licenced by the rightsholder, I just haven't quite worked out how to prove that to you yet... Ken Haylock (talk) 12:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

You're not having to prove anything to me....this is International Copyright Law that Wikipemedia needs to conform to.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I forgot to add this bit... actually brain fog...the name comes to me, eventually (organic server lag). Please look at Gary Carswell, where I requested an un-published image from his widow. Thanks. Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Carolynn Sells on the top step of the 2009 Ultra-Lightweight Manx GP Podium.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 21:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Image used elsewhere in 2013

Whilst I have the tab open, the uncropped image (File:Carolynn Sells Podium.jpg) was published at a blog in 2013. This is a personal website (WP:SPS) and not considered as a WP:RS.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

MOS:REPEATLINK

There are now five links to Manx Grand Prix in this short article. Please decide which to delete (tip: two need to go, IMO).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:10, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

No reaction so...... Done it meshelf.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:03, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Guinness World Record

This article in part relies on the Guinness World Record. To me, in this instance, application of the word "record" is a misnomer; it is a statistic.

Joey Dunlop with 26 wins compared to John McGuinness establishes the/an absolute record. Other/lesser direct comparisons can be/are made. These other riders with fewer wins create a better perspective.

It's difficult to know what criteria and comparisons were applied; or how and when this was nominated. Very little info is present at the source.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)