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Protected edit request on 8 June 2018

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Edit request: Revert the infobox as it appeared in the Revision as of 11:49, 2 June 2018; this is, removing the "President of the Catalan Republic (2017)" field in the infobox.

Summary: Puigdemont is listed as "President of the Catalan Republic (2017)" in the infobox, despite there being already a consensus in Wikipedia that no such "Catalan Republic" actually existed from 27 to 30 October 2017 or that Puigdemont was at the head of it, nor there being any sources to back up such a claim. This was an edit which was unilaterally introduced by an user on 15:49, 2 June 2018; but it seemingly went unnoticed because of the ongoing discussion on the Catalan/Spanish label of Puigdemont. Since this edit request is entirely unrelated and outside the scope of such a discussion, I don't think there is any issue for it to be accepted. Impru20^talk 16:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

It's a fact! He was appointed "President of the Catalan Republic", whether we like it or not!!! If the infobox said that he was appointed President of the Philippines, then I would agree with you! Keep! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 18:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Remove it as per Talk:Catalan_Republic_(2017)#Merge. The "Catalan Republic" was merely a symbolic resolution and proposal, not a state. No one can be "President" of a proposal. This was already discussed in Wikipedia and consensus is very clear, so it must be removed. Impru20^talk 19:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Being President of something that is not a UN state is possible. -Theklan (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Being President of a non-existant entity is not possible, it is not a matter of it being a UN state or not: there was no state at all. Please, don't bring this discussion up: the proper discussion already took place, the resulting consensus was overwhelming and even the concerned politicians did acknowledge the symbolism of the independence declaration, which did not extend beyond a mere statement of intents. I hope WP:CONSENSUS and WP:VERIFY are respected here. Impru20^talk 20:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I do not see any "Catalan Republic" in Revision as of 11:49, 2 June 2018, so I understand that the editor User:Impru20 requests a revert to that edit. I may agree if it were about that piece of info, since the very deputies that approved it did not agree on the effectiveness of the declaration/proclamation, but the edit seems to affect the bone of contention of the latest discussion (Catalan/Spanish), as it happens back to the preferred option of his/her. I suggest the article remains as is until this discussion comes to a conclusion. Iñaki LL (talk) 20:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: When I say "revert the infobox as it appeared in the revision X", I'm referring to the infobox only, obviously, not the whole article. I mean removing the field about the "President of the Catalan Republic (2017)" in the infobox. That does not affect the current discussion. Impru20^talk 20:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, the edit you add above has not got "Catalan Republic", so I understand it is about reverting to that edit. Anyway, I should be fine with removing that piece of information, although I do think as well that the article may have other imperfections, and they all can be addressed later. Iñaki LL (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Revert the infobox as it [the infobox] appeared in the Revision as of 11:49, 2 June 2018. This is the very first sentence of my request. Also, had you read the request further, you would have seen there's an additional link to the edit showing the "Catalan Republic" field in the infobox (namely, the Revision as of 15:49, 2 June 2018). Impru20^talk 21:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

This is exactly what it says, "Revert the infobox as it appeared in the Revision as of 11:49, 2 June 2018" and no 'Republic' there. I do not need to carry out a study of all the links, you will agree that we are all pretty tired. Iñaki LL (talk) 13:32, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Since I am asking for the "Republic" thing to be removed, it is pretty obvious I am not going to ask for the infobox to be reverted to a version where the "President of the Catalan Republic" appears, don't you think? I pointed out the infobox version which was immediately previous to that field being added on 15:49, 2 June 2018, which is the second link I added in my request. I don't know what's the whole issue you're pointing out here. You mya not need to carry out "a study of all the links", but at least take care to read the whole edit request before bringing up an illogical issue and make both of us waste our time here. Impru20^talk 13:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

It is as simple as going to the first link you claim to have the word 'Republic' and find that there is no 'Republic' in the infobox, so nothing more to say. Iñaki LL (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I never claimed the word "Republic" was in the first link. The "President of the Catalan Republic" field is in the current version of the page (which is protected). The first link is the infobox as I proposed it to be edited. Seriously, it is so difficult for you to understand, or is it that you are so unwilling to accept an error that you go around in circles whatever it may be? Now, thanks to your boycott, the admins have considered the edit had no consensus despite it being entirely unrelated to the "Catalan/Spanish" issue. Thank you for nothing, I guess. Impru20^talk 22:17, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Not done: Not seeing any consensus at this time — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:19, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

(I reactivated the request, I do not know if it is correct, sorry if I am wrong). I support Impru20's request.

With all due respect, a big problem here is this [1]. When someone writes a message, at least we have to respect them and take the necessary time to understand. Not enough time, too much tired... to check what they say? Well, then in that case better is to refrain from answering.

I have dedicated the necessary time to check the links, therefore I have understood and Impru is right. What Impru is explaining is very clear: in the version prior to this unilateral edit [2] there was no mention of the "Republic" in the infobox, which was a symbolic declaration without any value, recognized by the promoters themselves. Impru is asking to undo this edit, which is unrelated with the RfC above.

Please,I also ask to remove this inaccurate information from the infobox, that is to say, to remove just the content added in this edit [3], without touching the rest of the page. It is very simple. --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 23:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Really? WP:STICK. Iñaki LL (talk) 21:08, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)