Talk:Cardiff Parkway railway station

Suggested updates - December 2019

Hello.

An updated plan for the proposed Cardiff Parkway project was launched in November 2019. There are consequently a couple of elements of the article which are now out-of-date, along with new information which may add valuable context. Please find these suggested edits below in bold:

(Introduction) "Cardiff Parkway is a planned railway station in the eastern region of Cardiff, and near to the boundaries of the neighbouring city of Newport. The station is to form part of the proposed Cardiff Hendre Lakes business district."

(Origins, paragraph 2) “On 13 July 2017, it was announced that the station would be privately built rather than public and would not need the same system of approval than if it was publicly built.[3] The station is expected to cost around £120m and aims to secure 8 services an hour to Cardiff and Newport, as well as mainline services to other parts of the UK, including London and Bristol. ( <ref<>/ref> www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-parkway-train-station-mellons-17284720)

(Construction) "In November 2019, it was announced there would be a four-week period of public engagement into the Cardiff Parkway project. The station is set to open in 2023, subject to obtaining the necessary planning permission. A planning application is due in 2020. ( </ref></ref> www.cardifflocal.tv/videos/cardiff-parkway-plans-revealed-x7o9tol)

The project also now has an official webpage which could also be added to the article ( <ref<>/ref> www.cardiffhendrelakes.com).

Kind regards, --CardiffHendreLakes (talk) 14:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Hi @CardiffHendreLakes: - really appreciate you raising this on the Talk page. Always positive to see a business engaging in the right way with Wikipedia. I have made some edits using the references you've provided and hopefully it is more accurate now. Many thanks. Llemiles (talk) 23:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Naming

Pinging @Redrose64: for discussion here if needed. I just want to share links to cy:Gorsaf reilffordd Parcffordd Caerdydd and this Welsh Government source which seem to provide enough comfort on the Welsh name for now. Like the English name, prospective stations are always subject to change even in English. For now there is no physical signage on which to name the article so clearly common sense will need to prevail. Parcffordd Caerdydd is the only translation of Cardiff Parkway so unless the developers rename the project, there is adequate evidence to go off of. Llemiles (talk) 11:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

It has long been the policy that we only give non-English names for stations where those non-English names are actually borne on the station itself. So until such signs are erected, we use only the English name. This is, after all, the English Wikipedia. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Where would that policy be established? It seems excessive that a name can only be referred to once a physical sign has been erected. Welsh is the official language of Wales and the Welsh name has already been referred to widely by the private developers involved in the station here and by the Government which regulates the rail franchise in Wales here. For, say, a proposed railway station in the Netherlands, we wouldn't just use an English name. We'd use the official Dutch name in the intro even if physical signage doesn't exist. In this case we have an official language of the country, with an official name provided by the national rail franchise. We have an official Government source which confirms the name in an official national language, we need no further confirmation. Llemiles (talk) 13:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Welsh is not "the official language of Wales": it is one of two languages that have equal standing; and as far as official languages go, the official languages of the Assembly are English and Welsh - that's official languages of the National Assembly for Wales, not official languages of the whole country for all purposes; and the Welsh Language Act 1993 uses the word "official" only once, in section 26, and not in a context related to official languages.

What private developers want the station to be named has nothing to do with it - the decision will rest either with Network Rail or with Transport for Wales. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Firstly that's a bold statement. I don't think it's fair to say the decision lies with Network Rail/TfW. This project is entirely privately funded and I imagine that gives the developers incredible scope over the decisions made. Why would NR/TfW pull the plug over a name and reject £120m of private funds? They will consult with NR/TfW but money talks. Same goes for the station design and so on, there will be standards but the more private funding that goes in, the more open minded NR/TfW will be. Secondly, the Welsh Language (Wales) Measure 2011 is clear in stating that the Welsh language has de jure status alongside English, that is not in question. You cite the Welsh Language Act 1993 which gives the language official status for public sector decisions. This would be one of those instances. The railway is owned and operated by a public sector arms length body in Network Rail, and the franchise in Wales is overseen by the public sector arms length body Transport for Wales. A quick click of Welsh language confirms Welsh is an official language in Wales with serious de jure treatment, and this is especially true in the rail sector.

You have yet to state why the sources I have provided are inadequate as evidence of the Welsh language name. The Welsh Government have stated the name will be Parcffordd Caerdydd. Like all proposals, this may be subject to change, but in English and in foreign languages we take that risk and acknowledge the name as it is currently stated. Many stations, like Cardiff Bay railway station/The Flourish, require future updates, and that is par for the course on Wikipedia. We should use Parcffordd Caerdydd and I will be quick to update this if Welsh Government or the developers announce any changes to their very clear existing information. Llemiles (talk) 22:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)