Talk:Caravan (trailer)/Archive 1

Archive 1

"Washing machine"

Can a caravan contain a washing machine? --Inyuki 23:20, 29 November 2004 (UTC).

Absolutely, and a dryer as well. The most popular is either the 24"w "Skinny Mini" mde primarily for apartments, or THOR, the parent company of Airstream and other high-end brands, makes an all-in-one unit. Wow! Load up, and two hours later the clothes are clean and dry! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesignerJimO (talk • contribs) 22:29, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

"can live and travel simultaneously"

as far as i'm aware, it is illegal in the UK to be in a towed caravan whilst it is in motion

will check and amend if necessary

also

"In the UK, 2003 saw a huge increase in the popularity of caravans and caravanning[...]fear of travelling abroad due to worries over terrorism..."

any documented evidence for this ?

ahpook 13:52, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

It's so obvious that you are not allowed to carry passengers that it is difficult to find any reference to it. This is the nearest that I could find Passengers other than authorised test personnel, passengers must not travel in a towed caravan.. --jmb 12:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Awnings

Practically every caravan at a caravan site in the UK has an awning attached. "Awning" in this sense means something different to what is described at Awning; rather than a simple canvas roof, it is really a kind of lean-to tent, which attaches to purpose-designed grooves on the side of the caravan. The article ought to mention these. Hairy Dude 00:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

"triple towing"

Greetings! The term "triple towing" needs to be defined in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BruceDLimber (talk • contribs) 17:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

This means that you can tow a camper, a boat, and anything else you might want to tow. It is just towing three things at once. The best truck to do that with is a dodge ram. 69.95.233.113 (talk) 20:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Worldwide view" required: continental Europe, Canada, etc

Re the template message saying it needs a 'worldwide view': I think it just means that it's currently UK/USA only, and needs Canadian/French/German/Scandinavian, etc, maybe Australia/NZ examples to be added. Rexparry sydney 01:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

"Name Of Article"

I say this article should be renamed Caravan as most of the text refers to the subject as a Caravan... untel it points out that only in certain parts it is called a travel trailer. Also Travel Trailer is less known and sounds worse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.228.129 (talk) 14:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

This is the first time I have ever heard of a caravan being called a travel trailer. And I don't agree with the statement in the intro. 'They are used principally in North America and Europe and are rare elsewhere'. They are definitely not 'rare' in Australia. Lidabet (talk) 01:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

In the UK, the term "travel trailer" is utterly unknown, so from a British (and Australian?) point of view, the article should be renamed to "Caravan". But what's the situation in the US? Is the term "Caravan" used there at all? If so, it seems like an obvious case for renaming. However, if "travel trailer" is the only term used, then perhaps we should leave it as it is. Bazonka (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

In the US, the term "caravan" is almost exclusively used to refer to a group vehicles or pack animals traveling together. Trailer is a generic term for a towed vehicle (other than a car being towed when broken down, etc.) So a trailer could be either for cargo or for living. More than likely, the only people in the US who would refer to a travel trailer as a caravan would be from elsewhere, and runs the risk of being misunderstood. Wschart (talk) 21:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

And "travel trailer" runs the risk of being understood in Britain, since we don't (ever) use the term and just "trailer" here generally means one of these. Given that neither US nor British usage is entitled to "default" dominance on Wikipedia, it surely comes down to a question of practicality. The caravan disambiguation page is busy, and one of the entries there is for recreational vehicle - thus, moving this to "caravan (vehicle)" wouldn't work. (All the more so as "RV" is almost never used in Britain either; "motor home" is what we say.) Given all that, and the fact that "travel trailer" was the initial name, there would seem no reason to move this. Maybe someone could think of a better entry in the disambig page, though, as it's not very clear at the moment. 81.159.61.104 (talk) 22:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a caravan. The American imperialism obvious in the very naming of this article is the main reason I'm no longer a good faith editor on this website. Bah. With all this crap going on, its not surprising people don't treat the Wiki as a reasonable source. Come on. Who the fuck calls it a travel trailer anyway? For an international user it's pretty much impossible to find this article because of the way it's named and the way the disambig page is set up Amero-centrically. -- 80.200.86.60 (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I must admit that I only found this article (a particularly poor one) after a lot of struggle. The caravans I was looking for were pre-motor, but they're not even mentioned here. 88.97.15.184 (talk) 00:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

What the fuck? It took me 10 minutes to find this article because the Americans have had their way again and titled it 'travel trailer'. WTF? Caravan is the word used in most English speaking countries PLUS it is a word used in many other European languages as well. Sort it out before we all get tired of the American-bias in 'wikipedia' (even the name wikipedia is an Americanism as it doesn't use the proper and original spelling of encyclopaedia (or encyclopædia).--Xania ^talk 22:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Please be civil. FWIW, encyclopaedia might be the original spelling, but cannot be regarded as "the" proper spelling, since encyclopedia appears to be more common than encyclopaedia even in British usage, according to Pam Peters's "Cambridge Guide." I'm [dʒæˑkɫɜmbɚ] and I approve this message. 00:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Caravan is a dismbiguation page because there are so many different meanings for the term. Under no circumstances would this article be moved to that name. At best, it might go to something like "Caravan (trailer)", which would be no easier to find that "Travel trailer". As it is, this article is the third main link on the disambiguation page. I don't see why it should have taken ten minutes to find it. Is there any other way of making it easier? Is the disambiguation page unclear?   Will Beback  talk  23:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I suggest changing the title of the article to Travel trailer (Caravan) as well as the disambiguation link? That would make it appear more international-friendly. user:Casaubonian —Preceding undated comment added 15:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC).

Let commonsense prevail

I don't care what the article is called, as long as it is easy to find. To achieve this I propose the following:

• Change the redirect from 'Caravans' (plural) to 'Caravan'
• Restructure the disambiguation page to make it easier to find other articles (particularly those that relate to some form of wheeled vehicle)

Downsize43 (talk) 10:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Cory Eichbaum's Ownless

Perhaps Cory Eichbaum's Ownless can be mentioned here; see http://www.geotectura.com/New/Projects/PrintPreview.php?Project_Number=335 81.246.236.58 (talk) 10:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Offroad 4x4 trailers

User Wikigeo10 has made an effort to provide some useful information, despite being reverted. Perhaps now is the time for those of us who care to assist rather than revert. My suggestions for improvement: 1. Add a reference that is not a manufacturer, perhaps a 4x4 or Caravan and Camping magazine. 2. Tone down the US flavour and/or add some details from other countries - I will attempt to add some Australian content if the section survives for a few days. Downsize43 (talk) 02:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

"Tentrax" is a proprietary name, though it may have become generic. I agree with your points.   Will Beback  talk  02:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe Will Beback solved the problem.--Dana60Cummins (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Bristol Carriage Company

According to our text, William Gordon Stables commissioned the first non-Gypsy travel wagon, the Wanderer, from the Bristol Carriage Company, and patterned on their model the Bible Wagon, in 1880. There is a link to the Bristol Omnibus Company, which did not exist in 1880. My search of the Internet shows no mention of a Bible Wagon that is likely to be useful. Can someone find a better authority for these statements about the Wanderer? J S Ayer (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ha Ha! As soon as I had put my helplessness on record, I thought that Stables' memoir "The Cruise of the land yacht Wanderer, or, Thirteen hundred miles in my caravan" might be on line, and it is, and I think we are now linked to the right company, though I still find no mention of a Bible Wagon. J S Ayer (talk) 19:27, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 4 November 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved although some of the alternatives suggested below may fair better in subsequent RM (one at a time please, there's no hurry here). Mike Cline (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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• Travel trailer → Caravan
• Caravan → Caravan (disambiguation)

– I've never heard anyone refer to a caravan as a travel trailer. Maybe that term is used sparingly in the US and Canada (and that's a strong maybe), but in the UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, they are always referred to as caravans. Unreal7 (talk) 16:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose No evidence that this is primary topic of caravan. Caravan (travellers) is also a strong (stronger?) candidate for primary topic. And there is some WP:ENGVAR at play. Caravan is not commonly used in the US, but I'm not sure that "travel trailer" is commonly used here. I do see some manufacturers use the term, but I'd usually refer to these as "campers" (which might also cover some motor homes and popup camper) or "camping trailers" (again also including popups). I also hear people using the brand names a lot (Airstream, Scamp, Oliver, etc.), but that doesn't work for an article title covering all brands. I'm not opposed to some kind of move (and I see that the ISO standard mentioned in the article uses the term "caravan"), but I don't think the disambiguation page should be moved. Plantdrew (talk) 19:00, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

• Strong oppose this is clearly not the primary topic of caravan, a type of convoy of merchants or travellers, such as a camel caravan, or a caravan of settlers setting off west, or one of itinerant performers travelling between European Courts. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Suggest camper trailer instead as the name, since it isn't called "travel trailer" -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose Caravan should remain as a disambiguation page.
  • Suggest we rename this article to either 'Caravan (trailer)' or 'Camper (trailer)'. Whichever is chosen for this article, the other one should be a redirect to here. This way, when somebody types a few characters into the search box then WP will automatically give a short list of possible topics, which will include one of these two names according to the user's native dialect.  Stepho  talk  07:18, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
• Support This proposal makes perfect sense to me. Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (banter) 17:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Definitely not the primary topic for caravan. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose disambig is best. I'm a British English speaker & I'm aware that is has more than one meaning, I'm also aware that it's not called a caravan in the US. Disambig deals with everyone looking for other meanings of the word and the Brits looking for their British English. Main article should have the AME term in this case. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Clarkson & global tag

I changed the header to "Critic" making it specifically Clarkson's jag; also the tag was an odd choice because although the section refers only to him (thus: Criticism-->Critic), Clarkson is a global entity so that should work on some level. Manytexts (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

It was better before. Much better to have views from multiple countries instead of from one obnoxious presenter from one country.  Stepho  talk  22:01, 30 November 2015 (UTC)