Talk:Captain Black (Captain Scarlet)

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I am *almost* certain that Conard is called Conrad in at least one episode. --Simon Cursitor 30 June 2005 10:32 (UTC)

The only members of Spectrum who were actually named in the original TV series were Captains Scarlet and Blue. The rest of the Spectrum member's names where made up in a publication years later. Also, the mars vehicle wasn't destroyed in the original TV series. Did this happen in the CG version? -Davidwil 15 August 16:54 (UTC)

It wasn't "years later" - it was in the contempoaneous spin-off material. (In particular the annuals.) And remember that spin-off comics were closely tied to the series - some appearing before the series. (e.g. Angels in Lady Penelope). Certainly Black is mentioned as Conrad Turner in TV21 October 1968 - http://www.technodelic.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Upload03/Scarlet02.htm -- Beardo 06:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it ironic that Lord Black, also called Conrad, the ex Canadian newspaper proprietor, is now facing jail for heinous crimes, what's in a name? Though his crimes seem to be from pure greed, whereas even Captain Black never stoops that low - he may enjoy torture or willful destruction but it's always for a morally higher purpose, in the pursuit of Mysteron interests!

Gender-neutral language

Several years ago, an editor added the sentence "Until then, humankind was aware only of rock snakes (featured in Thunderbirds Are GO) inhabiting the planet"[1] This remained in the article from 28 November 2006 until 25 February 2011, on which date Alexandre8, without explanation, replaced the word "humankind" with "mankind".

This edit goes against Wikipedia guidelines on gender-neutral language, which state "Use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision" and "Non-neutral usage can sometimes be avoided by careful word choice; for example, by using people or humanity (instead of man)" I reverted this unhelpful edit, and since then the editor has edit-warred in order to maintain his substitution of gender-specific for gender-neutral language. His (presumably) edit summaries have been dismissive, and do not relate to any Wikipedia policy. I hope that other editors will assist in maintaining the gender-neutral language of the original, 2006, edit. RolandR (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Humankind is a disgusting word, and doesn't even solve the problem. Bring your attention to "huMANkind" Not quite seeing the difference. Alexandre8 (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

"Humanity", maybe? I'm not the biggest fan of "humankind", either; it feels like a fake word invented for political correctness, but "humanity" was around well before PC. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:10, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

But the question is, why replace the gender-neutral term which had been in the article for more than four years with a gender-specific term? I am not advocating going round Wikipedia replacing every use of "mankind", but I consider this act of deliberately using it instead of the original term to be gratuitous. Nor has Alexandre8 offered any rational explanation for this edit. S/he may consider humankind to be "a disgusting word", but that is not a valid reason. The word is in my dictionary (Chambers Ninth Edition, 2003) and has over 11 million Google hits, so it is not exactly a "fake, invented". I will look it up in the OED later to see how long it has been in use. Meanwhile, the continued insistence that it is unacceptable is becoming disruptive. RolandR (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, so the OED defines Humankind as "The human race; mankind", and traces this usage back to 1560. Hardly a neologism or fake word, then! RolandR (talk) 11:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Mankind, humankind and humanity are all words with the same meaning. So the choice for use in this article is one out of preference. Out of those 3, I would prefer mankind, which is just as gender-neutral as the other 2 options. Only the most politically correct feminist would have a problem with that word. --Atlan (talk) 22:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

So let's keep the change. Political correctness sparks more arguments than a word that a few feminists object to. Alexandre8 (talk) 11:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Being honest, it makes little difference to me whether the term used is "Man", "mankind", "humankind" or "humanity". The "mankind" v. "humankind" debate could be avoided completely, however, if the rendering were to be changed to something a little less open and vague - perhaps "Earth authorities" or "authorities on Earth" ("Earth authorities were aware ..."). Just an idea. SuperMarioMan 14:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

The word "mankind" has a long tradition of being used in terms of "aliens" and "us". It's the word that everyone knows when mankind is in a battle against aliens. Alexandre8 (talk) 14:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

(ec)That makes sense, and I have changed the article accordingly. RolandR (talk) 14:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes makes sense. I approve a change of this kind. I have put "planet earth". Language congruent with this kind of tv series. Alexandre8 (talk) 14:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Captain Black (Captain Scarlet)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Captain Black (Captain Scarlet)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Bentley, 122":

• From Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons: Bentley, 122.
• From The Mysterons (Captain Scarlet episode): Bentley, 122

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Concerns addressed. SuperMarioMan 14:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Conception paragraph vague

"While discussing his approach to writing episodes in a 1986 interview, he drew parallels..." Presumably this paragraph is referring to Gerry Anderson, but this is not made specifically clear in the article. 75.171.2.20 (talk) 12:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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