Talk:CaptainSparklez/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

About Revenge

I think the attention from "Creeper, aw man" has passed enough to warrant information about it in the "Revenge" section.

LivinAWestLife (talk)

I wouldn't mind seeing recognition myself, but it won't be easy to find secondary sources about it. Also, even if you can find one or two, there probably won't be much information about it.

I guess you could talk about the Genius top list and the Discord meme, but again, sources are scarce.--Diriector_Doc┝^{Talk
Contribs}━━━┥ 19:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Template:Minecraft navbox

This was just added and quickly removed from the article recently. IMO we should keep it because even though Maron isn't known only for being a Minecraft YouTuber, it is one of the things he's best known for, hence why he's featured in the navbox itself along with the similar SethBling who is partially known for stuff outside of Minecraft. Thoughts? Ionmars10 (talk) 20:51, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Agree

I see him as a channel that is dedicated to Minecraft. Sure, there was a short time where he didn't post Minecraft, known by his fans as "the dark ages," but he returned and has gotten more popularity this past summer than he had for a few years now (his return and his popularity increase being unrelated, of course). I think his popularity is more influential than Seth, but you gotta love them both. Keeping the Navbox wouldn't be a bad idea.--Diriector_Doc┝^{Talk
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His grandma's name.

I want the edit credit for this. He revealed this in one of his episodes 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmXKUWV-Hg at 57:41 to be Bert or Burt Badgehunter1 (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

 Possibly, but where would this fit in the article? How should it be worded? --Diriector_Doc┝^{Talk
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X33N Associated acts

X33N needs to be added to Associated acts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.153.24.50 (talk) 14:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Split Revenge into its own article?

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Withdrawn

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Hmm... I think it is notable enough to be an article, not just a section and redirect Another Wiki User the 2nd (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Another Wiki User the 2nd: Jordan Maron#"Revenge" is seven sentences in two short paragraphs in a short article, half of which is references and headings. Unless you have plans to expand that section greatly with encyclopedic information, why make people have to navigate to another article to read it? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Another Wiki User the 2nd: I understand where you are coming from. Revenge is the most iconic Minecraft-related video with over 240 million views. In fact, it is the most viewed parody on YouTube. However, there is only so much you can say about it before running out of info. Yes, it is iconic. Yes, it was a meme. The existing section pretty much covers everything. As great it would be to see an article of its own, there just isn't much else that can be said at the moment. --Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 01:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Indefinite close, open if it is larger than 5 paragraphs with 4 or more sentences Another Wiki User the 2nd (talk) 21:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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If Revenge won’t work, how about the Fallen Kingdom (Split)

Can we split the Fallen Kingdom section into its own article? Another Wiki User the 2nd (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Primary Sources/Unreliable Ones

When I looked up the sources which mentioned his alias over his real name, I saw that a lot of the references here weren’t from secondary sources at all - most of it either was from his YouTube videos or iTunes/music releases. Just out of curiosity I counted all of the sources, and out of the 48 citations used in the article, 36 of the sources were from non-secondary/reliable sources - a tad too much for a YouTuber’s article, don’t you think? I put the tags on the article as such so that other editors may fix these issues. Of course, keep in mind that self-published sources can be used for non-controversial self-descriptions, so videos like the "Draw My Life" one may be kept. PantheonRadiance (talk) 06:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 27 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: no consensus.

4 editors (including the proposer and AlphaBeta135) support the move, while 4 editors (including Blaze The Wolf) oppose it, so there is no consensus. An argument about WP:COMMONNAME is unlikely to result in consensus when nobody produces any evidence as to how the subject is described in RSs. (non-admin closure) Havelock Jones (talk) 08:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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Jordan Maron → CaptainSparklez – Per WP:COMMONNAME. L33tm4n (talk) 17:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 02:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - We don't conflate the act with the actor. We don't conflate the channel operator with the channel name. This person primarily self-identifies by full name on his social media, has won awards using his real name, and is generally presented by real name when introduced in reliable secondary sources. "CaptainSparklez" is just an alias used in specific contexts/channels, not a stagename. -- Netoholic @ 00:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Seconded --Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 05:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @Netoholic: We do conflate the act with the actor. We do conflate the channel operator with the channel name. Almost every YouTuber primarily self-identifies by their full name on their social media, almost every YouTuber has won awards using their real name, and almost every YouTuber is generally presented by their real name when they're introduced in reliable secondary sources. "CaptainSparklez" isn't just an alias used in specific contexts/channels, it's a stagename. The first two sentences are satire, but you get what I'm saying; "CaptainSparklez" follows the WP:COMMONNAME standard. L33tm4n (talk) 03:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - It may or may not be true but I am pretty sure that CaptainSparklez follows the WP:COMMONNAME standard --AlphaBeta135 (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

  @AlphaBeta135: Yes, it does follow the WP:COMMONNAME standard. Thank you. L33tm4n (talk) 13:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

• Endorse - CaptainSparklez is a much more recognizable name to the public than Jordan Maron under WP:COMMONNAME, similarly to other YouTube gaming personalities like Markiplier and PewDiePie. Looking at the criteria, CaptainSparklez is recognizable to people familiar with YouTubers, natural as more people would be more inclined to search for CaptainSparklez than his real name, precise as it distinguishes him from other subjects (much more unique than "Jordan"), concise as it's just a simple compound nickname of two common words, and is consistent with other article titles (like Markiplier and PewDiePie as aforementioned). So this does fulfill all of the criteria, and more sources generally use CaptainSparklez a tad more than Jordan Maron. PantheonRadiance (talk) 05:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

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• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. — Pbrks (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose, per WP:NPOVNAME. Specifically, it seems this name would be considered a colloquialism, and thus an exception to commonname, as depicted in the provided example of "Nadya Suleman", not "Octomom". BilledMammal (talk) 23:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: Pretty sure “Octomom” was a nickname given to her by the media rather than an actual pseudonym Nadya created herself, just like how media outlets often give subjects honorific nicknames (like Michael Jackson as the “King of Pop”). Jordan, just like other popular YouTubers, created the name “CaptainSparklez” as a pseudonym to represent his video content.

And anyway, would a name like CaptainSparklez really be considered too colloquial, especially in the context of YouTube personalities? While his YouTube channel name features a misspelling of the word "sparkles," at the end of the day his nickname comprises two common words, as opposed to an overly esoteric combination of words and/or letters. Compared to other YouTube channel names, CaptainSparklez is honestly a bit on the tamer side of the spectrum. At worst, I guess perhaps people would be enticed to see him as an “actual captain” rather than a YouTuber. But Dr. Disrespect isn’t an actual doctor, nor is MrBeast literally a beast... as silly as those examples may sound, those YouTubers have their articles named after their pseudonyms.

As for the name lacking a “neutral point of view,” by that logic other Internet gaming creators like MrBeast, Dr. Disrespect, Jacksepticeye, Markiplier and others would fail WP:NPOVNAME because their pseudonyms fall under such colloquialism. Seeing as how CaptainSparklez is a gaming creator like these other personalities, comparing the titles of these articles would be appropriate and renaming the article to his channel name would be consistent under guideline #5 of WP:CRITERIA.

And finally, more often than not when looking at reliable sources covering him, most outlets either refer to him as CaptainSparklez, or both Jordan Maron accompanied in tandem with his YouTube channel name. Very few sources mention him only as Jordan Maron, and the fact they have to clarify his name as also CaptainSparklez to avoid confusion suggests that he’s more recognizable as CaptainSparklez than Jordan Maron.

I feel that unless Jordan himself states that he no longer goes by CaptainSparklez, the article should be renamed to CaptainSparklez. In that regard, CaptainSparklez would classify as a previous name under #1 on NPOVNAME. I think I’ve stated my thoughts enough on this now, so this will be my last post on the discussion. I’ll let other people decide on this. PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@PantheonRadiance: Thank you for your input.

"Pretty sure 'Octomom' was a nickname given to her by the media rather than an actual pseudonym Nadya created herself, just like how media outlets often give subjects honorific nicknames (like Michael Jackson as the 'King of Pop')." - This follows WP:NPOVNAME.

"Very few sources mention him only as Jordan Maron, and the fact they have to clarify his name as also CaptainSparklez to avoid confusion suggests that he’s more recognizable as CaptainSparklez than Jordan Maron." - This follows WP:COMMONNAME, which you forgot to mention in this reply, though I'll let that slide because this guideline has already been mentioned a few times.

L33tm4n (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. I would like to make a few more points. Jordan is associated with much more than his YouTube channel. Yes, he is most notably known for "CaptainSparklez," but he goes by Jordan everywhere else: his non-gaming channels, his clothing line, his real-world affiliations. MrBeast goes by "MrBeast" everywhere, Jordan does not. Previous points argued that "CaptainSparklez" was a stage name, but I'd like to argue that it isn't because he only uses it for his gaming content, nothing else.

Other YouTubers associate themselves with their channel name. In videos, you'll hear them say "My name is PewDiePie," "My name is Markiplier," "My name is Jacksepticeye." Jordan doesn't do that. Rowan Atkinson is known for portraying Mr. Bean, but that is not a stage name. Atkinson has way more affiliations under his actual name despite always being associated with "Mr. Bean." I feel like Jordan Maron is the same way. --Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 03:18, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: I don't really think it should be moved to CaptainSparklez as while he is mainly known by CaptainSparklez by people familiar with him on Youtube, he also runs many other channels (i.e JordanReacts, MaronMusic, and Jordan Maron which uses his real name), so I think it should be kept where it is. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 13:22, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

@Diriector Doc: @Blaze the Wolf: I said this would be my last post on the discussion, but I actually forgot to mention this. Per this section, “Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's ‘official’ name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources).” While he does have multiple channels not named after CaptainSparklez, very few sources discuss said other channels, as his main point of notability comes from his main gaming channel. As aforementioned, a majority of sources either mention Jordan as CaptainSparklez only, or mention his real name along with his alias.

So, I’ll offer you both a proposition. If you can find five sources which mention him ONLY as Jordan Maron AND five videos of his where he calls himself just Jordan, I might be willing to change my position. Of course, if he does say he no longer goes by CaptainSparklez, I’ll also definitely change my stance. PantheonRadiance (talk) 05:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 24 September 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

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Jordan Maron → CaptainSparklez – No consensus on the previous request was reached; also, per WP:COMMONNAME. L33tm4n (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC) L33tm4n (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose and speedy close An identical RM was closed three days ago, too soon to propose again. 162 etc. (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose and speedy close - nothing new offered by proposer. -- Netoholic @ 08:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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