Talk:Canticle of the Sun

Reference to All Creatures of Our God and King

I have included a reference to this hymn, as it is by far the best known English version of St Francis' song. The link to 101 Hymn Stories gives more information about this version.

The Umbrian text, and formatting

First, the formatting in the article made it very difficult to read. The use of BLOCKQUOTE ran all the text together in way that is quite unsuitable for the words of a poem or a song. I've re-formatted so it is grouped into sections in the same way as in the 2nd link to the Umbrian text. I based the Umbrian text on this 2nd link, as the one you used is poorly punctuated, with sentences starting in lower case, etc. I also included some diacritical marks, such as è, "is", to distinguish it from e, "and". Have added a note about some aspects of the Umbrian text to assist a reader familiar with Italian.

I thought the English translation that you included was very good. I have removed the BLOCKQUOTE which ran all the text together, and re-formatted to the same layout as the Umbrian.

Some extra links

Also included 3 extra links which are relevant to my changes.

Hope you concur with these changes, Gerry246 (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Alternate Versions section

The Alternate Versions section is a mess. I am not sure I am musically qualified enough to improve it but it seems to me it is just becoming the equivalent of a link farm. Some of the selections are given a huge, probably inproperly weighted treatment (i.e. Sofia Gubaidulina's version). Other's may not be noteworthy enough, like the recent adding of the following sentence "The first recording of it by Chicago's Grant Park Orchestra and Chorus under Carlos Kalmar was released in June 2011." to me almost sounds like SPAM at the worst or unnotable at best. Does anyone have any suggestions?Marauder40 (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

William Henry Draper Source

Added a source on William Henry Draper. Not a truly scholarly source, but reputable. As this is the most common translation/paraphrase of the Canticle of the Sun in English, I believe this needed an external link for validation. First Wiki edit ever! Please be kind... — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.a.drohan (talk • contribs) 01:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Ka = ?

Below the poem, it's written "ka=perché", etc. Wouldn't it be more correct to compare Umbrian with Latin instead of modern Italian? It seems to me that "ka" is derived from the Latin word "qua", or some other related word, such as "quare". But I cannot prove it, so I haven't changed the article. --LPedro Machado (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

More information needed about provenance?

I have no experience in this field, and just came to this page because I read the Canticle and loved it, and wanted to learn more about it. Although this is a good article, it seems to me it is missing some vital information: provenance. What are the manuscript sources of the Canticle? Are they from the Franciscan Order? What is the oldest surviving text and how far back does it go? Are there significant differences between texts? What is the detailed evidence it was or was not written by Francis? Just a suggestion for improvement. --Chetvorno^TALK 16:42, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware the earliest surviving copy can be found in:

MS.338, ff.33r-34r,Fondo Antico presso la Biblioteca del Sacro Convento, Assisi

There is digitised access to the manuscript available at:

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3APG0213_ms.338&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU Encelm Turmeda (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hatnote

I don't think we should give prominence to one setting of it in a hatnote when several are mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

"Per" as "through"?

Is this the common translation? The meaning in context seems more likely to be "for" e.g. "Praised be You, my Lord, for Sister Moon and the stars". Riffraff (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)