Talk:Canini (surname)

Requested move 15 October 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move which is the point of the RM process. There is a light consensus to merge in my opinion, but that isn't the point of an RM. People can either boldly merge or as part of another discussion. The RM process is not needed to do that TonyBallioni (talk) 04:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Canini (surname) → Canini – Move over the current WP:2DABS page which is not required. The surname is the primary topic. The surname article has a hatnote to the other possible use. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: It's more of a merge, and the hatnote isn't quite right. I've posted a heads-up at WikiProject Disambiguation. [1] Not worth relisting IMO, best just to hold off until we get an expert opinion. Andrewa (talk) 01:35, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

• It's not entirely clear that the surname is the primary topic. In the absence of a good reason to assume it is, letting the 2DAB stand is reasonable. —swpb^{T go beyond} 13:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
• This is one of the very few 2-entry dabs that I created when splitting out surnames from dab pages. I certainly do not think the surname is primary; the tribe is if anything. But the dab page works better. —Xezbeth (talk) 07:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
• Merge (i.e. revert to the situation before the 2015 split - unless and until the name page has some meaningful content beyond the short list of people with that name, it is not worth having a separate page for it. The dab page should serve as the host of both the disambiguation and the detail on the name. The current arrangement doesn't help readers get to where they want to go. I understand the reasoning for splitting out name pages from dab pages, but ulimately readers come first, before blindly following rules.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Name lists are not disambiguation pages. You cannot "merge" this name list with a dab page because there is nothing else to disambiguate besides one other term. —Xezbeth (talk) 15:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
• Merge per Amakuru. Unless there's some Italian naming convention that I'm not aware of, it's entirely acceptable to refer to Italians by their surname alone, so the people can be included. The merger would not make this page would still result in a short page, and would help readers navigate to the page they're looking for. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:19, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  • It can't be merged, there's nothing to merge it to. —Xezbeth (talk) 20:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
    • MOS:DABNAME and WP:NAMELIST both allow lists of people with the surname to be added to the DAB page if the DAB page is short, which in this case it certainly is. Merging the two would also help navigation, since people would not have to click from Canini, a short 2DABs page, to Canini (surname), a short name list, to find an article about a person if that's what they're looking for. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:08, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
      • But if the surname is at the base term then there is no dab page. The surname is de facto primary topic and the tribe is linked to via a hatnote. —Xezbeth (talk) 21:11, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
      • And MOS:DABNAME is talking about short lists of names, not short dab pages. Do not misrepresent what it says. —Xezbeth (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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