Talk:Candomblé/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Midnightblueowl (talk · contribs) 17:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 16:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I already finished reading, will put my comments together in a moment! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• those groups which emphasise claims that these possess an "African purity" – The "these" seems wrong here; maybe write those groups that emphasise claims to "African purity" instead?

• I totally agree. The existing wording is clunky. Changed. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• mingau pudding – link?

• We don't have a distinct article on the subject so I'll put in a link to List of porridges#M. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• In the section "The orixas", you state "although their names may differ according to nation", so I wonder of which nation the orixa names are that are mentioned in the section?

• These are mostly Yoruba-derived names, so would be from the Nagô/Ketu nation. This is something that we should make clear, but of course we are reliant on having a Reliable Source we can quote to this point. I'll see what I can find. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Obá and Oxumaré are the only orixas for which you did not provide their functions or associations in the "The orixas" section. Can these be added?

• I'll check the Reliable Sources and see what we can use. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Tempo is the orixá of time – Is this particular name really derived from an African language? It seems to be drived from Latin (tempus = time), or is that coincidence?

• I don't know, but I would agree that it sounds like a Latin-derived name. I don't believe that Wafer expands on the spirit's name in the cited source, but I will double check. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Around 12 orixás are well-developed figures in the Candomblé pantheon – Just to check: You introduce 15 orixás in detail in the "The orixas" section; so why this particular selection? Later, in the "saints" section, you mention another one, "Omolu, an orixa of sickness", which, I assume, is not part of the regular pantheon and thus not mentioned along with the other orixas?

• The original sentence is reliant only on a statement by one scholar, Voeks, and I haven't seen it supported by other writers. I think the best thing to do is just to remove the sentence in question. Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• boiadeiros ("cowboys" or "backwoodsmen") – I wonder who are these, if not Indigenous Americans? Any article to link to?

• I'll put a link in to cowboy for now, although that article is not in particularly good shape. An alternative link might be to the Gaucho article? Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• What is the function of the caboclos, how are they served? In a similar way as the exus?

• Unfortunately none of the Reliable Sources I have seen draw on ethnographic accounts from the Candomblé de Caboclo nation, so I don't know a lot about how the caboclos operate in Candomblé. I've read more about their role in Umbanda (and detail that over at the Umbanda article), although I'm not sure if there are significant differences between the two traditions when it comes to the role of caboclos. Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• "brothers" and "sisters" in the orixás (irmãos de santo) – The Portuguese "irmãos" means brothers or siblings, but not sisters, which would be "irmãs".

• Thanks, I've added that into the article. Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Food is often offered at an appropriate landscape location – Does that mean they bring their spirit vessels outside to some nature location to do the sacrifice, or are these freshwater streams always within the terreiro?

• My understanding is that practitioners take food to the landscape location (i.e. a river) and leave it there, deeming that to be a place where the spirit resides or frequents. The spirit-vessels themselves rarely if ever leave the terreiro. I've amended the sentence in the article to clarify things there. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• or brewed into a chá tea – chá literally means "tea" in Portuguese.

• I'll take out "chá" here and just leave "tea". Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Image caption: The interior of the Ilê Axé Iyá Nassô Oká – Add that it is located in Salvador?

• Good idea. Added. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• There are nearly 170,000 practitioners in Brazil, – This appears in the lead but I can't find it in the body (thus, it seems to be unsourced); the body instead states it is more than a million.

• Ah, I think the information in the body was removed because the source looked potentially unreliable. I'll remove this statement from the lede for now and look into better sources for the group demographics. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• That's all from me, good and solid work as usual! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Jens Lallensack, many thanks for taking the time to oversee this GAN. I've responded to every point you raised, although in a few cases I will have to consult the Reliable Sources, which I should be able to do over the next few days. Hopefully I won't keep you waiting too long. In the meantime, thanks again. Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks, this looks very good now. The suggested content additions are optional, I was just wondering. I am promoting now, congrats! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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