Talk:Candle in the Wind 1997

Infobox

Shouldn't this article have a SINGLE infobox? It currently has one for ALBUMS. - eo 15:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Depression

The article describes a deep depression suffered by Elton John, but he was able to write and perform the song in seven days. I don't presume to be a psychologist or know anything of his mental situation, but he accomplished a lot in 7 days of "deep depression". I would suggest that being removed or reworded. Any of us who have lost a very close friend understand some of what he went through, but since there are clinical definitions of depression I would like to see such a diagnosis or a reasonable link before the use in a Wikipedia article. Autkm (talk) 02:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

This part ish better written now, but still begs the question. Autkm (talk) 03:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Critical response?

This article needs a section on critical response. If I remember correctly, it was panned by the critics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.5.251.244 (talk) 09:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the article is fairly adulatory. The general opinion on release was that the song was ghastly, tasteless and mawkish, pandering to the bizarre Diana worshipping of the time. This didn't stop it selling in large numbers of course. --Ef80 (talk) 23:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I thought it particularly appropriate that a song about a vacuous demi-mondaine whould be reworked for Diana - consider what Elton John is really saying about her! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 21:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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overlong, rough at the edges

I agree that the article is much too "adulatory" in tone. I have nothing against Elton John or Princess Diana — or, for that matter, Marilyn Monroe. However, I have never particularly liked the song in any of its versions. The original seems to have been less a "tribute" than a meditation on the destructive potential of popular fame, and the sad irony that fame not only often outlives the famous, but their destruction increases that fame. However, the "tribute" gloss is what drew the audience, & EJ pandered to that. It's therefore doubly ironic (at least) that this song was reworked to honor Diana, who died while fleeing from the endless hounding of paparazzi that were feeding into the demands of rabid scandal-sheet consumers. Certainly I am not the only radio listener to have grasped this.

I question repeated use of "tribute" because nowhere is the term defined or even an article offered in explanation. Have a look at Tribute (disambiguation). Considering the roots of the original lyrics, the adulatory rewrite, and the often obsessive nature of fans, I could make the case that the porn-related definition of "tribute" is not entirely incorrect here.

Shouldn't the article also maybe note that The Candle in the Wind is a T. H. White novel (1958) about King Arthur? Certainly EJ (or at least Taupin) is not unaware of this connection to the fundamental English mythos.

In any case, the lede is MUCH too long. It ought to be trimmed back to the first paragraph, maybe the first two. The rest would much better be sorted into appropriate points in the article itself.

As for the body, there's far too much fannish arm-waving and trivia, e.g. the reference to Chubby Checker. The piece could benefit by removing such chaff.
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