Talk:Canada Development Investment Corporation

Weasel words

I have already removed some weasel words linking the corporation to the monarchy. The user who added them has vested interests in the monarchy. The monarchy has little to nothing to do with present day crown corporations. Po' buster (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Try reading the cites before commenting again. Cheers. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I have read the cites. Her Majesty in Right of Canada is represented by t he government. Please stop trying misrepresent information. The monarchy has little to no influence in crown corporations. You are using weasel words to stretch the truth again. Po' buster (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Evidently you did not read the cites. From them:

"CDIC has been effective in the divestiture of corporate interests of the Crown"

"The following chart profiles the assets sold on behalf of the Crown by CDIC since inception."

"Canada Development Investment Corporation... is wholly-owned by Her Majesty in Right of Canada."

In fact, it's your edits that introduced OR and POV. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I think you are confusing "the Crown" with the "monarchy" ... According to you everything and anything in Canada is owned by the Queen, which is FAR from the truth. Po' buster (talk) 20:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you please spefically point out where in the article "Crown" has been "confused" with "monarchy"? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Show me where on page 13 of that report it says it is "owned in whole by the Canadian monarch" ... You are using weasel words to push an agenda .... period. It says "Her Majesty in Right of Canada" which is represented by the Canadian Government. Every crown corporation is owned by the Canadian Government Po' buster (talk) 21:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

A claim such as "the Queen is represented by the government of Canada" needs a reliable source to back it up; otherwise, it's merely your imagination. Regardless, the source indeed says "Her Majesty in Right of Canada", not "the government of Canada as Her Majesty's representative". Per the Interpretation Act, S.35.1: "'Her Majesty' , 'His Majesty', 'the Queen', 'the King' or 'the Crown' means the Sovereign of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, and Head of the Commonwealth." We follow sources in Wikipedia. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Your ridiculous claim must be referenced as well .... a crown corporation does not equal the monarchy period ... You have been repeatedly warned about this before. Stop. Po' buster (talk) 22:17, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Please point out where in the article it says a Crown corporation equals the monarchy. Also, you still haven't fulfilled my request that you spefically show where "Crown" has been "confused" with "monarchy". --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 22:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The phrase "Owned in whole by the Canadian monarch" is misleading for one. The Canadian monarch owns nothing. The federal government ons and operates crown corporations. For the last time the monarchy is all but a figurative symbol in present day Canada. Po' buster (talk) 23:09, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you please make up your mind where the problem is? First it's that the article "confuses" the Crown with the monarchy; though no answer comes when you're asked to point to where in the page this happens. Then it's that the article says a crown corporation equals the monarchy; though no answer comes when you're asked to point to where in the page this is stated.

The source says the corporation is fully owned by "Her Majesty in Right of Canada". Though it's simple logic anyway, the Interpretation Act states "Her Majesty in Right of Canada" is the same thing as "Sovereign of Canada". If you're now trying to argue that "sovereign of Canada" is not the same as "Canadian monarch", this discussion has gone far off the edge of ridiculousness. If you want to pursue the matter further, seek dispute resolution. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 23:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

You do this with every article, you add your agenda filled monarchy BS, and than argue the fact with long winded, pointless debates which you answer nothing but try and make it seem like it's the other that isn't answering the question. You use weasel words, Crown corps are not the monarchy period. If you add monarchy BS to this or other articles you will be reverted/reported. I am not trying to be uncivil or threatening in any way. I am just stating that your agenda is inappropriate and won't be tolerated. You have been repeatedly warned. I'm done. Po' buster (talk) 23:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

So... You can't point to exactly where anything's wrong in the article. You merely attack me instead. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 23:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Mies, can you quickly recap exactly what "Her Majesty in Right of Canada" means? Common sense tells me that it means the monarch specifically, but most sources I've found, such as PEI's Interpretation Act state something like "“Government of Canada” means Her Majesty in right of Canada" (p10). This would contradict linking specifically to Monarchy in Canada rather than Government of Canada. -M.Nelson (talk) 23:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

It means Queen Elizabeth II in her role as ruler of the Canadian federal jurisdiction. I see what it says in your link, but the federal Interpretation Act doesn't say the same thing. I'm personally inclined to see why, as "Her Majesty in Right of Canada" means the Queen in a wider scope than merely in her federal council, encompassing also her place in the federal parliament and on the federal bench (hence, the term comes up in bills and court proceedings, as well).

The link could possibly be changed, though, now that you mention it. It could go either to Government of Canada#Monarchy or to Monarchy of Canada#Constitutional role. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 00:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Both of which you've been numerously warned about you POV edits. Good examples to prove your distorted point of view ! Po' buster (talk) 02:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Her Majesty in Right of Canada is represented by the 'Canadian Government in this country not the Monarchy. So your whole "Owned in whole by the Canadian monarch" is complete POV and BS. But I'm finished trying to converse with someone of your demeanor . Po' buster (talk) 23:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Looking at this childish argument I would have to agree that "Her Majesty in Right of Canada" doesn't equal the monarchy. It is represented by the government more than the monarchy. Just saying.

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