Talk:Canada/Archive 28
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New interactive zoomable map
@Canterbury Tail Hi, the OpenStreetMap map is interactive and zoomable and very well shows map of Canada. Why you revert my edit? This map is different from all existing maps. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Canterbury Tail I really believe that if you want to remove one of two maps, you should remove the svg map and not the OpenStreetMap map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- In the infobox it added nothing over the map we already had, in fact it was less clear and requires you to go to an external link to get the use out of it which isn't useful in an infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 16:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Canterbury Tail I really disagree with you! It is very clear and even more clear than the svg. All water border is shown in this new map. Also islands of Canada is shown better and more clearly. These details only can be shown by OpenStreetMap. I.e., border of Canada is better shown.
- Additionally the ability of zooming on each city and each island of Canada is provided. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Canterbury Tail This ability is specially well-used by mobile users. They rapidly zoom by two fingers. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- You don't need to keep pinging me. The zoom functionality isn't available in the infobox, the user has to click and go to another page. The utility isn't there for the actual infobox. Anyway lets see what others have to say. Canterbury Tail talk 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Fully agree with Canterbury Tail. The original should be kept. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Joeyconnick We are in the year 2023. I think we should not use maps from 19th or 20th century that lacks any metadata and are text free. Maps without metadata is for 19th century, we are in the year 2023. So we should use maps with full interctive metadata. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Fully agree with Canterbury Tail. The original should be kept. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- You don't need to keep pinging me. The zoom functionality isn't available in the infobox, the user has to click and go to another page. The utility isn't there for the actual infobox. Anyway lets see what others have to say. Canterbury Tail talk 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Canterbury Tail This ability is specially well-used by mobile users. They rapidly zoom by two fingers. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- In the infobox it added nothing over the map we already had, in fact it was less clear and requires you to go to an external link to get the use out of it which isn't useful in an infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 16:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
@QuicoleJR Aside from zoom and clicking problem, one of main differences of svg and OpenStreetMap is border of Canada. Please compare
with
The border of the second map shows only dryness lands, but Canada posses many seas. So the border of Canada in the second map is more accurate and useful.
- The borders of the one you're illustrating above are subjectively worse. In the infobox, and in your image above, they look like Canada controls all of the western coast all the way from Washington state to Alaska when that's not the case. Canterbury Tail talk 20:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Now the map you added here is actually useful due to the small scale of it and delineating the boundaries in a way that is clear and useful in the infobox context. So this isn't an entire thing against everything, it's just in the context of this article and its infobox the map isn't useful. Canterbury Tail talk 20:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- I would agree that the street view map is worse, as the details of the border are hard to see. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Are these being spammed all over the place again? We have talked about these maps a few times. Moxy-
20:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- For final words, I really disagree with all 4 people engaged in this discussion! In my opinion, interactive maps should be replaced by solid maps gradually. You are all right that we have some problems in zooming, but in future these bugs can be removed from Wikipedia and we can insert "Interactive maps" instead of "solid maps" in Wikipedia for all Infoboxes. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note you're going about this the wrong way, you're just antagonizing everyone with this attitude. However more importantly this isn't about the maps per say, it's about their usefulness in their sizes in the infoboxes. Infoboxes are expected to summarize the article, not to supplant in any way. You should read MOS:INFOBOX. They're to assist in the article, not there to be used as a set of weblinks. This is why the websites in infoboxes should show the URL as the information, not just link to it. We try to keep people inside Wikipedia as much as possible that is the ultimate objective as we can't control outside sources. Most of the maps you're adding at the country level are not helpful inside the infobox as they don't show the subject in a manner useful inside the infobox and require the user to click on them and go outside in order to get any use out of them. That's an external link, not an infobox map. Canterbury Tail talk 20:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have an idea for implementing this scenario: We use OpenStreetMap to show a map of Canada with these settings are implemented as checkboxes, and Wikipedia interactively updates maps:
- A checkbox for showing borders of Canada
- A checkbox for showing main cities
- A checkbox for showing main rivers
- A checkbox for showing main roads
- A checkbox for showing sea teritories
- A checkbox for showing UNESCO sightseeings
- A checkbox for showing main mountains
- and many other checkboxes interact with OpenStreetMap and each time a new map is rendered from OpenStreetMap to the user. After checking, an attribute is added to the map of that Infobox or if unchecked it will be removed from that Infobox map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Can I ask how any of that is going to be visible or useful in an map a couple hundred pixels across in an infobox? You seem to be continually missing the point that this is about the usefulness of these maps in an infobox where the map is necessarily small and cannot include much data. Not its usefulness as an external link or other page. Canterbury Tail talk 21:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have an idea for implementing this scenario: We use OpenStreetMap to show a map of Canada with these settings are implemented as checkboxes, and Wikipedia interactively updates maps:
- Note you're going about this the wrong way, you're just antagonizing everyone with this attitude. However more importantly this isn't about the maps per say, it's about their usefulness in their sizes in the infoboxes. Infoboxes are expected to summarize the article, not to supplant in any way. You should read MOS:INFOBOX. They're to assist in the article, not there to be used as a set of weblinks. This is why the websites in infoboxes should show the URL as the information, not just link to it. We try to keep people inside Wikipedia as much as possible that is the ultimate objective as we can't control outside sources. Most of the maps you're adding at the country level are not helpful inside the infobox as they don't show the subject in a manner useful inside the infobox and require the user to click on them and go outside in order to get any use out of them. That's an external link, not an infobox map. Canterbury Tail talk 20:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- For final words, I really disagree with all 4 people engaged in this discussion! In my opinion, interactive maps should be replaced by solid maps gradually. You are all right that we have some problems in zooming, but in future these bugs can be removed from Wikipedia and we can insert "Interactive maps" instead of "solid maps" in Wikipedia for all Infoboxes. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Are these being spammed all over the place again? We have talked about these maps a few times. Moxy-
Hidden version of maps in infoboxes
I suppose this type of map:
{{hidden begin|title=OpenStreetMap|ta1=center}}{{Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-width=full|frame-height=300|zoom=1|frame-lat=63.0|frame-long=-110.00
|type=shape-inverse|id=Q16
|type2=point|id2=Q16|stroke-width=3|stroke-color=#7e7e7e|fill=#7e7e7e|title2=zones|marker=country
}}{{hidden end}}that is rendered as:
OpenStreetMap
which yields:
Canada | |
|---|---|
.svg) Flag | |
| Motto: A mari usque ad mare (Latin) "From Sea to Sea" | |
| Anthem: "O Canada" | |
| | |
OpenStreetMap  | |
| Capital | Ottawa 45°24′N 75°40′W / 45.400°N 75.667°W |
| Largest city | Toronto |
| Official languages | |
| Demonym(s) | Canadian |
| Government | Federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy |
• Monarch | Charles III |
| Mary Simon | |
| Justin Trudeau | |
| Legislature | Parliament |
| Senate | |
| House of Commons | |
| Independence from the United Kingdom | |
| July 1, 1867 | |
| December 11, 1931 | |
| April 17, 1982 | |
| Area | |
• Total area | 9,984,670 km2 (3,855,100 sq mi) (2nd) |
• Water (%) | 11.76 (2015)[2] |
• Total land area | 9,093,507 km2 (3,511,023 sq mi) |
| Population | |
• 2023 Q4 estimate |  40,528,396[3] (37th) |
• 2021 census | 36,991,981[4] |
• Density | 4.2/km2 (10.9/sq mi) (236th) |
| GDP (PPP) | 2023 estimate |
• Total |  $2.379 trillion[5] (16th) |
• Per capita | $59,813[5] (28th) |
| GDP (nominal) | 2023 estimate |
• Total |  $2.118 trillion[5] (10th) |
• Per capita | $53,247[5] (18th) |
| Gini (2018) |  30.3[6]medium |
| HDI (2021) | 0.936[7] very high (15th) |
| Currency | Canadian dollar ($) (CAD) |
| Time zone | UTC−3.5 to −8 |
• Summer (DST) | UTC−2.5 to −7 |
| Date format | yyyy-mm-dd (AD)[8] |
| Calling code | +1 |
| Internet TLD | .ca |
I really think that existance of this map, even in hidden state is very helpful. @Canterbury Tail, QuicoleJR, and Joeyconnick: Do you agree?
- I don't see that as being useful at all, especially in the very small manner in which is it inside an infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 12:33, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Royal Anthem". Government of Canada. August 11, 2017. Archived from the original on December 6, 2020.
- ^ "Surface water and surface water change". OECD. Archived from the original on December 9, 2018. Retrieved October 11, 2020.
- ^ "Population estimates, quarterly". Statistics Canada. December 19, 2023. Archived from the original on December 19, 2023. Retrieved December 19, 2023.
- ^ "Census Profile, 2021 Census of Population". February 9, 2022. Archived from the original on February 9, 2022.
- ^ a b c d "World Economic Outlook Database, October 2023 Edition. (Canada)". International Monetary Fund. October 10, 2023. Archived from the original on October 13, 2023.
- ^ "Income inequality". OECD. Archived from the original on February 6, 2020. Retrieved July 16, 2021.
- ^ "Human Development Report 2021/2022" (PDF). United Nations Development Programme. September 8, 2022. Archived (PDF) from the original on September 8, 2022.
- ^ The Government of Canada and Standards Council of Canada prescribe ISO 8601 as the country's official all-numeric date format: Public Works and Government Services Canada Translation Bureau (1997). "5.14: Dates". The Canadian style: A guide to writing and editing (Revised ed.). Dundurn Press. p. 97. ISBN 978-1-55002-276-6. The dd/mm/yy and mm/dd/yy formats also remain in common use; see Date and time notation in Canada.
"border=no"
I was wrong to insist (apologies to User:Moxy). I would like to discuss this (very small) problem here; in the See also paragraph, the portal is without borders, yet this is the only page in the whole of Wikipedia that has this function. Wouldn't it be better to homologate this page to all the others as well? JackkBrown (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- No guesswork pls .....It does match our other top level articles.... Culture of Canada#See also, History of Canada#See also, Military history of Canada#See also, Wildlife of Canada#See also, Geography of Canada#See also, Moxy- 16:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Moxy: all right! It actually makes sense, because the borders of the Canadian flag are white (the flag represents the image of the maple leaf, but without other details). JackkBrown (talk) 14:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)