Talk:Caltiki – The Immortal Monster
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Plot Section
editHELP!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOEVER IS READING THIS, ADD TO THE Plot SECTION BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.167.1 (talk) 03:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
On YouTube
editProbably not appropriate for the article, but the first eleven minutes or so are available on YouTube --Shadow (talk) 01:06, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Q: 1:35 into movie: "Based on an ancient Mexican legend"
editThis movie begins with a message (1:35) that it is "based on an ancient Mexican legend". Anyone know which legend? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.102.13.47 (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Judging by the story and how much Freda seemed to care about it, it's probably complete bull plop. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:44, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Not finding a Mexican legend matching the premise of Caltiki, I suspect it may be movie PR ballyhoo. Like the 1960 movie "Mill of the Stone Women" credits its story line to an author and book that don't exist. Probably "Based on" whatever the screen writer thinks it takes to get the audience to willingly suspend disbelief. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 15:39, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Director credit in infobox
editSo from contemporary research, neither Bava nor Freda seem to want to take credit for directing Caltiki and contemporary reviews with their contemporaries and people who were on set seem to disagree largely with who did what and what was going on. How should we clarify this in the infobox? I'm thinking of either leaving it blank or having a piped link to the production section to suggest how complicated the situation is. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:26, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Its been a few months and there have been no replies. I'm going to remove them from the infobox. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- IMDb lists Caltiki credits as Directors: Riccardo Freda (as Robert Hamton), Mario Bava (uncredited). (Freda often used "Robert Hamton" for director and writer credits.) The filmography section in the Wiki article on Freda credits him as director of Caltiki. The filmography section in the Wiki article on Bava credits him as director and cimematographer of Caltiki. Freda started the movie as director, then quit the set. Mario Bava finished it (especially the monster effects shots, death scenes, army v Caltiki, etc. about 100 special effects shots). At the time Monthly Film Bulletin complained that the first half was seriously hampered by "phony sets, bad acting and ... small budget" but "once the monster asserts itself things begin to liven up". It is too late, I suppose, to know for sure. It seems like Freda did not want to claim full director credit and Bava did not feel his contribution rose to the level of full director credit. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 13:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Beyond that though other authors and co-workers and historians can not really decide or lean towards who should really be credited. Per the prose, it does not seem to be a simple Bava took over at the end story like I Vampiri, as neither wants to take credit and Bavas input seems to vary from person to person depending on who you talk to.Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- IMDb lists Caltiki credits as Directors: Riccardo Freda (as Robert Hamton), Mario Bava (uncredited). (Freda often used "Robert Hamton" for director and writer credits.) The filmography section in the Wiki article on Freda credits him as director of Caltiki. The filmography section in the Wiki article on Bava credits him as director and cimematographer of Caltiki. Freda started the movie as director, then quit the set. Mario Bava finished it (especially the monster effects shots, death scenes, army v Caltiki, etc. about 100 special effects shots). At the time Monthly Film Bulletin complained that the first half was seriously hampered by "phony sets, bad acting and ... small budget" but "once the monster asserts itself things begin to liven up". It is too late, I suppose, to know for sure. It seems like Freda did not want to claim full director credit and Bava did not feel his contribution rose to the level of full director credit. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 13:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey! I know this is an old thread, but I'm wondering with regards to this and some of the other Bava movies where his involvement is contested or in doubt - in the case of other movies with multiple directors in which only one received credit, such as Bohemian Rhapsody (film) and Solo: A Star Wars Story, the credited director is put in the infobox, but an accompanying note briefly describes the extent of the uncredited director(s)' involvement. Would this work for this article, and in some of the other Bava articles we've looked at? As an aside, I intend to view the Arrow Blu-ray release's full-aperture version soon, since that version sheds some light on who directed what scenes. PatTheMoron (talk) 13:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not a big fan of that because it's like presenting information like film credits are always true (and as we've done a lot of research on these Italian genre films, they are often not just "well that's not quite true" and more likely "this is a flat out lie"). As the infobox is supposed to be used for representing information within the article, I'd rather leave it that because it sounds like we have a bias towards one person truly doing it over someone else. And per the current information, it's pretty dodgy to state what really is the case. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2020 (UTC)