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Pop 100 Airplay

I noticed that this hasn't been updated in a few weeks, I've searched google for hours trying to locate the Pop 100 Airplay but Billboard only provide the top 25 unless you subscribe (with money), as im a cheap skate I have no way of confirming the position or if it has moved up/down. Does anybody have a subscription, or know how to confirm the current position? If not I will remove this chart position. 82.30.159.133 15:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Song lyrics and link to full song

I've added them but if you don't want the link up please remove it then.

Offering a helping hand here :) --HuntingUnicorns 16:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

We cannot put all of the lyrics on as it is a copyvio, somebody owns the lyrics remember so we can use maybe two or three lines just as a sort of sample. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 18:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

but the lyrics are on the official evanescence board. evboard.com --HuntingUnicorns 02:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

its by no means an official site, and it doesnt matter, its a forum. do not add them again --Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 07:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't add them again I only added them 1ce. Check my contributions. The rest have been my talk in here. 16:04, 30 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Call Me When You're Sober <--that was when I added them. It's a forum that the band frequently posts on, and they hold connections to the band. The band even said it is their offical forum since wind up took their own site's down. All Evanescence fans who go on the baord know that if the lyrics are up on Evboard.com it's been approved by the band and their label to be on the internet. --HuntingUnicorns 20:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, that's not true at all. EvBoard is just a message board. People can post whatever they want there whether the band or Wind-Up Records agrees with it or not. The message board is not official and it isn't run by the band members themselves, although they do post there at times.

Dannycastillo 03:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

You are actually wrong there. There are criteria that one must follow before posting. Also the creators of the forum are able to remove posts as they please.

"its by no means an official site, and it doesnt matter, its a forum" You know, if a forum is independantly notable, it CAN have a Wikipedia article or be used as a source under special circumstances. Please note that I'm not necessarily arguing in favor of EvBoard being used as a source (I'm not familiar enough with it or the band's online history to say one way or another, really), but saying it doesn't matter "because it's a forum" is silly. That's like saying something "doesn't matter because it's a blog" as a source. Why would that be silly? Because while the vast majority of blogs (and forums, of course) are non-notable, in rare cases they ARE notable for whatever reason, if not worthy of their own article than at least worth using as an occasional source. For instance, it's known that Amy Lee has posted on EvBoard before (even making at least one important announcement on there, as you can see in the article on the band itself), so in SPECIAL circumstances, it can be used as a source, and if the band has adopted it as their main online means of communication to the public as is claimed (which I won't claim to verify ;) ), it's even more so...

...however, unless a member of the band or someone else who has direct permission from the band chooses to release the lyrics to the board themself, I would agree that it probably shouldn't be linked from Wikipedia (especially since it's usually pretty easy to find a site with lyrics for a popular song anyway if you Google it, so it's not entirely necessary). It would be different, of course, if you were linking to a specific page on an official band website that listed the lyrics, since you would be linking to material the band delibrately made publicly-available for free online. This is also even more true of links to the song itself. If it were an older song, there might not be much problem with it because the band is on record as saying they encourage fans to download their earliest material (due to it being pressed in extremely limited quantities), but there's no grey area at all about new material from what I can tell.4.235.60.22 20:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I think you are a little behind the times, as EvBoard has been all but abandoned by the band in favour of Amy Lee's EvThreads. However, both are still considered to be fansites, and should not be added as an external link per WP:EL. Also, it should be noted that lyrics should never be linked to or included in an article due to copyright concerns, unless such a link points to an official website for the band. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 00:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

why was the lyrics taken down

they are on the offical evanescence board. www.evboard.com --HuntingUnicorns 14:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

It isn't encyclopaedic to put lyrics on the page. They aren't on any other single pages and it's not necessary. It doesn't matter if they're on the official boards or not. Leemorrison 19:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

How many albums?

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't this be the third studio album (Origin, Fallen, Open Door), and third commercial release (Fallen, Anywhere..., Open Door)? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 05:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

eveanescence have already said that they do no consider origin their debut studio album, but as a 'dressed up demo' that they took to various record companys before they got a proper record deal, plus only 2500 copies of origin were released so it wasnt a proper release like fallen was, it was more comparable to the 2 eps they done before thet in terms of release

but yes, it is their third release as anywhere but home is counted as a release, but obvously not a studio album :)Snowball1988 01:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

re: Origin: oi, how could I forget that? I wonder if there should be a consensus about what line to use when describing "The Open Door": Second studio album, or Third commercial release. It will be confusing if different terms are used in different locations. Not everyone will know the difference. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 01:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I say use second studio album, 'cos that's more important. U-Mos 12:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Charts table

I believe the table of peak positions on charts is redundant beacuase we can simply put that info into the infobox. Barring any strenuous dissentions, I will be bold and move them over. Copysan 04:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

4 in the video; 5 in the band

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I only noticed four band members in the video (and indeed the promo picture) for this song. I'm assuming it's Terry Balsamo who's missing due to his health problems, but can someone confirm this so it can be put into the article? U-Mos 12:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

They lost there Bass player before the vide shoot.Remember the one that dressed weird at the grammy's?he's gone. -SOADLuver

Oh yeah... my mistake! U-Mos 09:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

no the one who dressed wierd was Ben Moody, their lead guitarist that they lost much earlier then Will Boyde (former bassist)

Messed up

someone has totally screwed up the page, cant it be reverted to a better version? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.30.159.133 (talk • contribs) 09:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

In what way has it been screwed up? Tell me what the problem is, and I'll attempt to fix it. Thanks. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 14:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

What has happened to the peak chart positions in different countries box, I like to see how well a specific song is doing worldwide. This was here before but has now been removed? 82.30.159.133 15:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Ive also noticed that the singles timeline no longer says 'T.B.A 2006' as the next song in the timeline, this suggests to me that Evanescence won't release any further songs, which I know is not true 82.30.159.133 15:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

About your first item, I think the section "Chart positions" in the right sidebar covers that. As for the TBA thing, I was curious about that myself, but it seems to be the standard format for the album timeline, so I see nothing wrong with it. One (loose) justification could be that as we cannot know for certain whether a band will release another album, we should not assume that they will (based on "WP:NOT A Crystal Ball"). -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 15:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the "Chart Positions" to the side really does cover it, when the song is released worldwide, the side bar will only incorperate a few of the positions, I believe it to be more informative if the Peak position box is re-introduced to include the majority of charting positions? 82.30.159.133 19:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually the sidebar will incorporate whatever you put in it. The point of the sidebar is to list all the peaks (majority of charts included), which is what it is doing. Putting in another chart is reundandant and a waste of space and bandwidth Copysan 20:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, that's the beauty of sidebars...they'll expand to do whatever you need them to do. Being concise is key to a good article! Btw Copysan, thanks for cleaning up those cites, much nicer now. Never got around to doing that (darnit, kept getting calls I had to dispatch!) :) -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Kraft. has changed the page back to how it was originally without an edit summary or explanation. I have requested twice he join our discussion about sidebar vs actual page content. However, I won't revert immediately to avoid starting an edit war. Kraft, if youre reading, please comment here, otherwise, I will revert in about 24 hours. Copysan 23:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the iTunes top 100 position? 82.30.159.133 12:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Chart Tables

THose tables are empty and unfilled. Unless somebody strenuously objects in about 12 hours, I will comment out that section until this single actually gets in a chart, at which point, you can add that table back in. Right now it is a waste of bandwidth and space, and violates WP:NOT a crystal ball. (Because we are predicting that this single will chart.) Copysan 20:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the American Billboard one should be left on there because it is highly likely the single will chart in the near future (as it is now available for download) - if the single fails to chart then I see it as fair to remove the table. It is fair to remove other tables until a week before they chart. Mtowers 22:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Highly likely is not Wikipedia's place to project. WP:NOT a crystal ball. We report on events that happened in the past, not events that are likely to happen in the future Copysan 01:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think trajectories should be included after the song charts either, because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Also, they're extremely hard to verify afterwards. Extraordinary Machine 00:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry if I have some grammar mistakes I'm not a native English-speaker) I just think the biggest music markets should be in 'the single infobox' like U.S. Billboard Hot 100, UK Singles Chart, ARIA Charts, Canadian Singles Chart, German Singles Chart, French Singles Chart, Eurochart Hot 100 Singles and United World Chart. MuchMusic Countdown, iTunes and other Billboard Charts (because they're 'less' important than Billboard Hot 100) should be stay in the chart positions box (out of the 'single infobox'). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kraft. (talk • contribs)

I think it should go in the info box since there is a specific space for them there. Copysan 20:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree because later there will be more charts listed and they will be too many to include them in the single infobox. Kraft. 18:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Charts that dont meet notability standards arent supposed to go into the listing or be mentioned anyways. WP should not be listing every chart made by some random website. Copysan 20:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, are you going to change all the singles articles? because if you're going to do that with this article, you must do it with the rest of the articles wich talk about singles... I don't think you want to... Kraft. 16:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Most singles articles ive seen use the sidebar exclusively. Copysan 17:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Really? like what? because I've not seen anything Kraft. 20:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Intresting opinion. Personally, I dont like WP NOT indiscriminate, but its a policy nonetheless. Anybody else have any opinions? Copysan 23:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

You can see chart trajectories in this web site (since 2003) Kraft. 03:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Pics of Amy Lee

Do we really need so many shots of Amy Lee? (Might I add that both shots look nearly the same) Copysan 20:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd recommend reverting that last image edit, keeping the original in favour of the new one. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 21:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the current screencaps are too extreme closeups of Lee to give an accurate representation of the video. How about taking one from another scene, such as the one in which she and those dancers are floating in mid-air? Extraordinary Machine 00:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, or how about one of the full-length dinner table shots? I only wish I had a copy, and I'd take some caps. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 00:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I was able to get screenshots of the 320x240 version on Evanescene's website. You can see some of the thumbnails I took here: rapidshare If you dont like rapidshare, email me (Through email user) your email address, and Ill send it along. I also have the full wmv file, if you want to take the shots yourself. If somebody can point me to a higher resolution shot of the video, please leave a link here, and I can probably snag it down. I use the rapidshare killcode in 24 hours, so grab it quickly. Copysan 02:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hell yes. More, if possible. She's hot. 18:31, 09 September 2006 (UTC)

Literally every shot in the video is screencapped here Ketan Kapoor 16:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Cover...

Wich image will be used on the article? This [1] or this [2]?? Armando ^{(talk|contribs)} 02:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why has been changed it! resolution is not so good, mmmh the single also hasn't been released yet sorry as a physical single (I wonder how the image can be here now) Kraft. 03:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

so...must I revert it to the Radio promo version? Armando ^{(talk|contribs)} 03:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you must

Why can't anyone upload the real cover, not that stupid promo shot? U-Mos 17:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done, Mahogany h00r. And not before time either! U-Mos 15:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

CMWYS 5th most played song on Australian radio 2007

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22978462-662,00.html should we add info about that in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zacanescence (talk • contribs) 02:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Number one in portugal

Hey guys why was that info removed?? Call Me When You're Sober reached the top of the Portugal Singles Chart. Can you guys put that on the charts table? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Facu2929 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Song meaning

I read somewhere that the song is about Shaun Morgan's (Seether) alcohol abuse. Could anyone confirm whether this is true or not? --Mathias-90 (talk) 15:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

That's the theory, but Lee has never confirmed this story afaik, and without a source, we can't include it in the article. — Huntster (t @ c) 21:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

then why is it in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.103.43 (talk) 13:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

There have been many recent modifications to the article. This potentially libelous information has been removed. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 01:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

TV.com

Is this a reliable source - [3], because it states that during the filming of the music video "an unrelated protest shut down the streets that surround the theatre they were filming at, and the police riot squad had to inform the band and crew members not to leave the building until tensions settled"? My love is love (talk) 11:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Whether it's reliable or not isn't really in question, in my mind. It sounds completely irrelevant. It's "unrelated". If an incident stopped production for a few days, I can see it as possibly relevant.. But I don't see any reason to include this as it didn't affect anything significant. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 16:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, this is complete trivia, and has no place in the article. It has no real bearing on the music. — Huntster (t @ c) 17:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Lyrically the song talks about...

Can I add that the song lyrically talks about Lee's ex- boyfriend because she said "I know that people would read between the lines and think it's about my ex-boyfriend Shaun Morgan [of Seether], but I wanted to be completely clear? My love is love (talk) 23:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

New Chart Info

I found a reference that says that the song reached a #5 peak on the Hot Mainstream Rock Songs, i tried to edit the section myself but i couldnt find out how to do so, the page always keept telling me that its an "illegal chart entry" so for anyone who does know how to edit the charts properly i leave the reference here: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/evanescence-mn0000787428/awards 24.227.9.114 (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much. It will be updated. My love is love (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Call Me When You're Sober/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Freikorp (talk · contribs) 09:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Freikorp (talk) 09:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   Lead

   "The song was written by Amy Lee and Terry Balsamo and produced by Dave Fortman and it was included on their second studio album The Open Door." - strikes me as having too many uses of the word "and". Suggest comma or period somewhere in there.

   Lead says "mixed to positive reviews", body says "generally positive"

   "before its official physical release as a CD single. Later, on August 15, the song was available for digital download" - were physical singles also made available for purchase on this day? Also "Later" is redundant. I think you should merge information about radio release and purchasable releases into one sentence, i.e "before its official physical release as a CD single and for digital download on [date].

   Background and release

   "In an interview with MTV News" - when?

   I don't like how you have a reasonable sized attributed quote box AND a large unattributed quote (when did she say that and who to?) as well. The direct quotes to actual prose ratio is too high.

   "complete a--hole." - Wikipedia is not censored.

Maybe this was the way it was written on the website, so if that's the case, then this iteration I believe would have to stay. Unless WP:CENSOR trumps it. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 23:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

1. What is Evboards.com? A fan-site or official site?

   Composition

   Why have you gone to such detail to attribute what key the song is in? Is this information usually contested or controversial? Why can't you just say ""Call Me When You're Sober" was written in the key of E minor"?

   "her still-raw emotions" - strikes me as un-encyclopeadic wording

   Everything in the first paragrpah from "During an interview with MTV News," down strikes me as unnecessary paraphrasing from the above section. We've already established what the song is about.

   Reception

   "the website The Trades" - what kind of website is 'The Trades'? Music review?

   "He noted that those are the only two songs" - perhaps clarify the only two songs on their album.

   I don't see a reason to add "[Ms.]"

   What is a "suit breakup song." Is it trying to imply it's an upperclass break-up song? I don't get what is trying to be said here.

   "The song was nominated in the category for Favorite Rock Song" - I think it would be relevant to mention which song it lost to.

   Two uses of "which later became its peak position" - I don't see any need for the word 'later'

   "and it spent a total of seventeen weeks." - sentence fragment.

   You mention the ARIA certification in the lead but not in the prose

   Music video

   "interview behind the scenes of the video"- there's something wrong with this wording. Perhaps clarify exactly where this interview can be found.

   Straddle does not wikilink to where you intended

   "first Lee then the dancers are lifted into the air." How are they lifted into the air?

   Does every instance of "lover" need to be in inverted commas? I'd say you only have to do this in the first instance

   Again, consider mentioning which video the music video lost to in its nominations, but I won't fail you for this if you don't want to do it.

   Live performances

   Wikilink Jingle Ball, assuming that's the same concert

   "We're going to do something completely different from everyone else tonight — and rock as hard as we can". Have I missed something? What makes that completely different? Did all the other performers sing timid songs and not do any rock movements? Perhaps you could clarify this to the reader.

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   There's a problem with Ref 13: Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "azcentral" defined multiple times with different content"

   Big problem. Checklinks finds that an unusually high level of your references are dead. These need to be archived if possible. I'd also strongly recommend archiving every source, though that is not a requirement to pass GA.

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Ohhhh, this is probably going to fail. I haven't worked on it enough to get it finished yet, I only nominated a week or two ago. I was going to work during the nomination period. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 14:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh. I noticed somebody had begun a review of your nomination The Open Door and that this article was your only active nomination not being reviewed. Well if it does fail just ping me when you nominate it again and i'll take another look at it. Freikorp (talk) 17:50, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

It's not too bad. The main concern is the amount of dead links. I'm putting this on hold. I'm not fussed if you need some time to get around to addressing the concerns, just let me know. Freikorp (talk) 19:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

I did have a few co noms open but none of them were listed under my name.... it's okay though. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, but I probably won't get to this until Sunday evening and maybe I won't even finish it. I've been busy and devoting the time I have had into the album article. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 05:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It's fine. I'm not fussed if it stays open for a couple weeks, or even longer as long as a date gets set for when you'll look at it. Just can't leave it open indefinitely unfortunately. Freikorp (talk) 22:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Copyedits

I had listed this at WP:GOCE in hopes of making the article better during nomination period, but die to the exceedingly fast review, Freikorp, I'd like you to check and see if you have any problems with the user's copyedits. @Twofingered Typist: please do be careful! The album was done by Bafflegab before his retirement, and has come under quite a bit of criticism. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 01:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: - The copy edit is complete. Perhaps you'd like to explain why I need to be "careful!"? I devoted several hours to this c/e so if that isn't careful, I don't know what is.Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not saying you weren't careful at all, I promise. You probably did well. It's just that reviewers recently haven't liked GOCE's edits, it seems. Sometimes they'll add really wordy stuff, other times they make it too much to-the-point for the given situation. I still trust you. Just saying. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I think Twofingered Typist has done a fantastic copyedit. The edits have actually addressed some of my concerns listed above; I'll strike the ones that I've noticed are fixed. Freikorp (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC) Thank you, Freikorp.Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: For an FA reviewer to criticise a GOCE editor for the voluntary work they did on an article is churlish. Bafflegab is/was one of the best. If I had a dollar for every so-called FA article that I have edited that was riddled with grammatical errors, I'd be wealthy. It works both ways. Do have a look at my suggestion on your talk page. Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, this is nasty. I didn't think there'd be nearly this many dead references. That's like a sixth of all the refs in here, and something I surely would've fixed if I hadn't received such a quick review. A visit from InternetArchiveBot would be extremely helpful. I'm now considering having you fail this for now and we can redo this once the links are fixed. That's a project for a weekend when I'm not extremely busy. I'll let you know when I come to a decision...won't be more than two days on that. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 23:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I know I have nothing to do with this, but just a heads up a GA article can have dead references. It's not mandatory for all the links to be alive. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

But the problem is that there are twenty. I can blitz through these pretty quickly after school, given that tomorrow's Friday. I need to restrain myself now so I can finish my Algebra homework and watch the Pens win! dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. :) Freikorp (talk) 22:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Withdraw

Freikorp, I have changed my mind. Please fail this for now, I will let you know when I renominate. I should focus on your review and nothing more on Wikipedia currently...or at least on nominations with more hope than this one. (It's got plenty of hope, but I'm busy as of late so a solo nomination is probably not in the cards for me right now.) dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 22:10, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

No worries, I understand. Freikorp (talk) 22:19, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Freikorp (talk · contribs) 12:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

As the original GA reviewer I'll be happy to take a look at this again. Will probably finish it tomorrow.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   "lead singer of the band Seether," - I'd consider dropping this on account of too many commas in one sentence. Either that or split the sentence into two

   "their previous record managed" - did you mean manager?

   "Lee expressed "no intention of hurting [Morgan]" during an interview" - when did this interview happen?

   "he[r lover]'ll" - i'd replace this

   Perhaps wikilink "Canada.com" to Postmedia News

   'For the week ending September 2, 2006, "Call Me When You're Sober"' - the full song title is already mentioned in the previous sentence so repeating it so soon doesn't read well. I'd just replace the title with "it"

   The 'Chart performance' section striked me as having too much coverage of chart trajectory; see WP:CHARTTRAJ

   Any specific recommendation on what to drop? I'd be willing to do whatever, I just don't know which ones should go. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 05:39, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

   @DannyMusicEditor: Hmmm it's a bit of a tricky one. The coverage is at lease consistent for all charts, giving debut, second week ranking, peak, total weeks in and year end position. This information isn't uninteresting, it's just a fair bit more than I'm used to seeing. I think the article would be improved by toning it down a bit in general but I don't have a specific suggestion. Accordingly this isn't going to be a fail point so I'm happy for you to just ignore the issue for now. Just fix the outstanding issues with references and I'll be happy to pass this. Freikorp (talk) 01:01, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

   I don't think linking "straddle" to "sex position" is accurate, as that link implies there would have been penetrative sex whereas this obviously wouldn't have happened in a music video

   'saying that he is "too late"' - how exactly does she say this? I can't imaging she audibly says "too late" during a music video

   'Before the start of the performance, Lee announced: "We're going to do something completely different from everyone else tonight — and rock as hard as we can."' - I can't see any reason why this is worth mentioning

   I'd wikilink "china" to Porcelain

   Wikilink "Jingle Ball" to KIIS-FM Jingle Ball, assuming that's the same concert

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   Checklinks finds three deadlinks and a handful of other issues: [4]

   Ref No. 26 (AllMusic) seems to have bizarre title formatting

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Nominating editor hasn't touched Wikipedia since before Christmas last I checked. Will be watching this. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 14:30, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: Thanks for letting me know that. Placing this one on hold until issues are addressed. Freikorp (talk) 22:47, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@Freikorp: I believe I've done everything, did I miss something? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 12:46, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Looks great. Happy to pass this now. Congrats. :) Freikorp (talk) 12:59, 29 January 2018 (UTC)