Talk:Cake (band)/Archive 1

Spinal Tap

"Todd Roper left the band after recording Comfort Eagle and since the band's been relegated to a Spinal Tap-like drum lineup."

Does this mean that Todd Roper left because the band has been relegated to a Spinal Tap-like drum lineup, or that the band has been relegated to a Spinal Tap-like drum lineup since he left? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.102.127.132 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 22 September 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure. For now, I've removed it as it didn't make a lot of sense. If the original author wants to clarify, please do. -- DarkNight 21:14, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

Hahah, I'll explain the Spinal Tap reference. In the Mockumentary This Is Spinal Tap, the drummers from the band always die in freak accidents or in situations with unexplainable circumstances. In other words, the sentence is joking about the frequent switching of drummers. Bottesini 21:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Cake DOES have a unique sound, and its a developing one. They started very raw sounding and have embraced the perks of more contemporary pop music with cool synth patches, phasers,and drum samples. I agree that they don't sound like TMBG but I also like TMBG. I would also agree that "I Will Survive" is ironic. Gloria Gayner, probably the most soulful singing woman ever to record made this song popular, and with a monotonic/half spoken voice like McCrea the song's emotion is still there but in such an absurdly different way. 209.51.67.107 22:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC) Podd

Unique?

"Their unique musical style has been compared to They Might Be Giants and the Talking Heads." If their musical style was really "unique" then it wouldn't be compared to anything. Unique means that they authored it or they made it up and that no other band sounds like them. So, firstly I'd say they weren't unique. Second, I don't know who is doing these comparisons, but Cake sounds nothing like They Might Be Giants or the Talking Heads. At least to me. Not that I've read many Cake reviews or anything, but I know what I hear, and when I listen to cake I don't hear TMBG or the Talking Heads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.74.63 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd agree they sound nothing like TMBG or TH. I'm guessing what the original author was trying to say is that, like those two, cake is also unique. In other words, all three are different from one another and from other things. This is why their "uniqueness" (not their music) has been compared to the uniqueness of TMBG and TH. But I agree - it could be worded better.--Daniel 13:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I figured, if the sound isn't to be compared, we should take out "musical style" and replace it with a reference to what we're actually comparing. In this case, I think what we're saying is that they explore many styles, but don't just absorb them; Cake recordings share similar characteristics and treatments of the styles. So what I've written is hopefully a better explanation of the basis for the comparison the the Talking Heads or They Might Be Giants. 24.34.19.24 22:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC) Note: this comment was me, I just didn't sign in. I also made the edit. Nietzscheanlie 22:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I always thought that "The Distance" was about a guy working too hard, not about sex. (E.g. "she's all alone in her time of need".)

I don't know if "ironic" is the right way to describe "I Will Survive". "Alternative" was the best I could come up with though. Axlrosen 14:26, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Response to first post: Well, you certainly have a unique opinion. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.68.154.213 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Response To Unique? O.K you thought that The Distance was about work and not sex. Well then you obviously only LISTEN to music and not HEAR it. CAKE is a great group and anyone who is "different" is compared to Talking Heads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zacharyjasonvise (talk • contribs) 17:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Modify, or Drop?

"One of their lesser known songs, "Let Me Go" embodies the classic CAKE style with simplistic bass guitar and a lone trumpet harmonizing with the melody. While it did not receive the hype of some of the other, better known songs, it remains one of their standards and one of their best."

The whole line is pretty much just solid opinion, although I think that the simple bass/trumpet bit is worth mentioning, so I edited out the second sentence. 168.28.136.14 07:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't classify "simplistic bass guitar" as a common characteristic of the band. There bass guitar riffs are almost all more complicated than other rock bands and has alot of syncopation/funk to it. ~~ MTP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.128.140 (talk • contribs) 07:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics Analysis

I thought it would be interesting to start a lyrics analysis page considering the nature of this groups lyrics. AT times it seems rather random while at other times quite simple and to the point. How about we start off with "The Distance". Anyone care to give it a go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.128.140 (talk • contribs) 07:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

This is an excellent idea for a section—provided that it adheres to Wikipedia's no original research policies and citation standards. Editors are not permitted to insert their own opinions or speculation into articles. I think you could find some already-existing articles or pages that analyze various songs' lyrics, though; I've read pages analyzing Sheep Go to Heaven and deducing the allusions in the chorus, for example. -Silence 15:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Weird Al's newest album Straight Outta Lynwood contains a song titled Close But No Cigar, which is a style parody of CAKE. From the vocals, the percussion, the horn, and the seemingly non-sensical lyrics and the ever-present "Aww yeah... aww yeah". It is very great, and I suggest anyone with interest in CAKE to check it out. -User:EntropyGuardian

I've got a great free image of this band. I'll upload it as soon as possible:). Nina Odell 17:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to give a lyrical analysis for CAKE'S "Short Skirt/Long Jacket". I found some interesting qoutes from John McCrea regarding the meaning to the song. I will cite my sources, but I am new to wikipedia, so if anyone feels any changes need to be made, please do so.Blksock (talk) 19:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)(Blksock (talk) 16:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC))

Well, I think its a bit of a mistake to do any sort of lyrical analysis for CAKE, especially when the main thing disputed about their lyrics is whether they are subtly satanic/religious. One of the more analyzed songs that I know about is 'Sheep Go To Heaven', and only analyzing 'Short Skirt/ Long Jacket' is short-sighted at the least. I believe this section should be removed entirely unless someone feels like doing the necessary research to make it more balanced and poignant. 68.126.129.125 (talk) 21:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia isn't really trivia

Lots of the information in "trivia" isn't really "trivia" but rather Cake music in other media. Wouldn't it be better to put this information in a section titled "In TV and the Movies" or something like that? The freddinator 20:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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Intro

The first couple sentences are directly off of their myspace page...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.58.134.253 (talk • contribs) 17:16, 14 August 2007

This doesn't appear to be the case any more. tedder (talk) 23:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Discography

Maybe you should try to list singles and similar. For instance, I found something called "3 song sampler" from '95 on Capricorn. songs: Ruby Sees All, Jolene, and Shut the Fuck Up. Nnnudibranch (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Band more important than food?

I came here via Wikipedia's own search after typing in "Cake." I was expecting that the food would pop up first, not this particular band. Can someone explain to me why this band is more important than the stuff im shoving into my face every birthday? Thanks. Warlockian (talk) 23:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm more baffled as to why searching CAKE brings me to the Key Addressed Crypto Encapsulation page. The likelihood that someone would be looking for one thing instead of the other are pretty pronounced, I would think (I almost no idea what the Key Addressed Crypto Encapsulation is, nor why that would be abreviated CAKE). Understanding or problem solving are appreciated --76.21.2.109 (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Generally, all-caps titles are reserved for acronyms, with a disambiguation link on the page to refer back to uses of the word itself. Since CAKE is the acronym for that term, that's where CAKE takes you -- though you can easily get to where you want to go by clicking the disambiguation link there back to here. Ashdog137 (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Renovation

I've started to renovate this entire section on Cake. I've created a discography page, and added singles (They're researched to the best of my ability). I still need to add EP's and stuff like that. What I think we really need is a 'band banner' for Cake. I've also moved some stuff around. I think we can get this area looking really good.--Gen. Quon (talk) 03:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

While you're at it, the band's name is written CAKE not Cake. You can see this in the booklets "Produced and arranged by CAKE", or on their website on this page for exemple . Maybe the article should be renamed... Master Sel (talk) 16:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

That's true, if no one objects, I'll move it.--Gen. Quon (talk) 20:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not objecting before the move, but I hadn't noticed the proposal. I've moved it back to the standard "Cake (band)", per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#All caps, and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#Mixed or non-capitalization, to maintain consistency. I've also gone through what linked to the all-caps name and, hopefully, changed it all to reflect this. I added in the tag line that the band's official name is CAKE, per the TIME (magazine) article; I thought this read better than Kiss (band) and K.D. Lang. do. Major props on your work to renovate the article, though; progress is good! Ashdog137 (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, that's cool. Sorry if I messed with some of the rules. Thanks for the fix!--Gen. Quon (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

"Short Skirt/Long Jacket"

I always believed that this should have been written as "Short Skirt, Long Jacket". If you go to their website, you will see that in Comfort Eagle, it is written with a "/", but in their newest album, B-Sides and Rarities, it is written with a ",". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mynameisnotpj (talk • contribs) 13:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but the album is where it comes from. It's also called that on Sirius Radio, iTunes, and other internet sites. Plus, it was the original name.--Gen. Quon (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

CAKE

This argument is undebatable, it is officially capitalized 'CAKE', but because of policy, specifically Wikipedia:NAMING#Use standard English for titles even if trademarks encourage otherwise, the title of the article will remain 'Cake'. — Κaiba 22:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I believe the correct capitalization of the band's name is CAKE. Should the article be moved there? TrbleClef 06:34, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think it should be. But then all the references to it should be changed too. ~leif ☺ _HELO 09:14, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've seen it capitalized both ways, but since the artist' webpage uses CAKE in uppercase, within the webpage title, and across it's album covers, it would be alright to move this article to CAKE along with all references.--r00ted 04:47, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to move the article. The capitalization issue is noted in the first sentance of this article. --taestell 21:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Then shouldn't we change all instances of "Cake" to "CAKE" in the article? LuckyDucky (talk) 06:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely CAKE. eBay's spelling is honored (amongst many, many others), and so should be CAKE's. It would be almost NPOV not to. 219.77.142.86 (talk) 12:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Since we have both an apparent consensus and a very strong technical argument here, I'm changing the name. --MQDuck 23:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ska?

How is Cake ska in anyway? I vote this is removed, unless someone has a refutable source stating otherwise. 24.63.75.131 (talk) 22:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• I believe they are referring to the trumpets prominent role in many CAKE songs when they mentioned that they combine elements of ska into their music.--Gen. Quon (talk) 20:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)