Talk:COVID-19 lockdown in Hubei/Archive 1

Requested move 25 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to 2020 Hubei lockdowns at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:30, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Wuhan lockdown → ? – The scope is now more than Wuhan SYSS Mouse (talk) 22:45, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I proposed 2020 Hubei lockdown since It is happened across Hubei. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.226.238 (talk) 01:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support the practice as the lockdowns have clearly spread beyond Wuhan. Weak support for "2020 Hubei lockdown" as preference would be for a more precise title, as the lockdowns are for several cities in Hubei, not the entirety of the cities there or the entirety of the province. If a local title exists, that is also preferable. Doubtless, as the situation is still rapidly developing, the latter may soon arise whose merit should be considered. Sleath56 (talk) 15:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Potentially 2020 Hubei lockdowns to show that there's multiple independent lockdowns, but all in Hubei. BegbertBiggs (talk) 20:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Support "2020 Hubei lockdowns," a nicely succinct difference. Sleath56 (talk) 05:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• The year is unnecessary because there has only been one Wuhan lockdown, or Hubei lockdown, and hopefully there will not be another (and if there is, then that can be handled at that point). The title should be only "Wuhan lockdown" or "Hubei lockdown". Narayansg (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support, it is more appropriate to be named as "2020 Hubei lockdown", although nevertheless it all started from "Wuhan lockdown" from its historical perspective, as such people might (and will) easily think of "Wuhan lockdown" first as the main keyword search, thus we shall maintain the redirect to Wuhan lockdown at all time. Chongkian (talk) 00:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above Benica11 (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support prefer Hubei lockdowns - don't think this has happened before and really hope never again, but 2020 Hubei lockdowns is fine if no support to remove year. Juxlos (talk) 17:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support prefer 2020 Hubei lockdowns, as the ¨lockdowns¨ refers to the fact that there is multiple, independant lockdowns and the year is helpful to provide a historical context to future readers. RandomPerson144 (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
• SupportNot only Wuhan but also other cities in Hubei have locked down. So 2020 Hubei lockdowns is appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterwu2019 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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Background

The background is more likely to introduce Wuhan's history and little methioned Wuhan outbreak. Mariogoods (talk) 07:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Why limit to Hubei ?

Wenzhou is quarantined as well, so... Yug (talk) 13:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

may need some rewrites to weave Wenzhou in throughout the the article. robertsky (talk) 14:07, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Update Title

The scope is now more than Hubei. Wenzhou is NOT in Hubei and is in a lockdown. The obsolete title is no longer appropriate. PenulisHantu (talk) 13:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Agree. Something like 2019-20 coronavirus lockdowns in China seems promising (if I may write that). Yug (talk) 14:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposing 2020 Wuhan coronavirus lockdowns or 2020 Novel coronavirus lockdowns since lockdowns began in 2020 PenulisHantu (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@PenulisHantu: I was seeing it like "virus name (human friendly) + lockdown + by country". Core article is 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, from which I substracted the "Wuhan", which is misleading (locking down Wuhan ?) and sounds unfair to Wuhan XD. Novel is weird because it means "new", which will not age well. 2020 coronavirus lockdowns for now ? Yug (talk) 16:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree that if this article is kept, that its' page title should refer to the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in some way. Otherwise it's not obvious what the page is about, ie. why the 'lockdowns'?
Perhaps it should refer to 'quarantine?' instead, as WP states "A quarantine is a restriction on the movement of people and goods which is intended to prevent the spread of disease or pests" 220 of ^Borg

Requested move 3 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 06:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Hubei lockdowns → 2020 coronavirus lockdowns – This article´s name should be changed lockdowns have spread beyond Hubei and leaving out a placename would get rid of the need to further update the title if the lockdowns spread beyond China. RandomPerson144 (talk) 17:20, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment This move should be controversial because it only happens in Hubei province. If you want to expand spreading beyond hubei province to all around the world even China, Please separate this article with Nationwide China lockdowns. Why not Lockdowns and restrictions in the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak because this title is more broad focused and any international reactions about cancelling flights and restrictions in other countries to this should be moved to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.171.220 (talk) 23:27, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
• Agree Because now we have Wenzhou city to be locked down by the PRC government, which is located in Zhejiang province, thus it is no longer Wuhan lockdown or Hubei lockdown. Can be "2019-2020 Coronavirus lockdowns" or "2019-nCoV lockdown in China", any of this combination (as long as there is 2019/2020 year, coronavirus/novel and China). Chongkian (talk) 01:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
• Agree, the virus name is more descriptive than Hubei which is inaccurate in scope now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pestilence Unchained (talk • contribs) 07:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Partially disagree with Pestilence Unchained and Chongkian because it happens not only in Mainland China but also around the world, for example Russia or Singapore close border with China for Chinese tourist and many countries restricted flights to China. I suggested that this article moved to Lockdowns and restrictions in the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak to reflect more global focused event. I Note that any reactions regarding restrictions or temporary cancel flights from and to Mainland China should be moved to this article. I also want to request alternative moves to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.171.220 (talk) 07:57, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I think the title should be consistent with whatever the final title of 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak turns out to be in the next few days. If it's "novel coronavirus" then the title of this topic should be 2019–20 novel coronavirus outbreak lockdowns. And perhaps limit to China to accurately reflect the content. Have there been any other city-wide lockdowns outside of China? I think we could limit the title to stay relevant to the subject matter. In that case, 2019–20 novel coronavirus outbreak lockdowns in China or 2019–20 novel coronavirus lockdowns in China if that's too wordy. - Wikmoz (talk) 23:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
• Move, NOW.
  1) Move to 2020 Coronavirus lockdowns or similar, as long at it move away from the current misleading title.
  2) Move it NOW. The current template asking to wait up to Feb. 10th before moving is absurd, this article title is ALREADY out of date with the necessary scope.
  3) Define lockdown and article scope as quarantines or limitations of movements can be determined via a separate discussion.
  Forcing a "week long no-shorter triple-loaded debate" (should we move? what name ? what definition? but let's decide of all these 3 over a week long mess) is democratic madness opposed to wikiwiki reactive spirit. There is already strong consensus for the move. We have zero reason for waiting. Yug (talk) 13:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC) cc: @RandomPerson144, Chongkian, Pestilence Unchained, Wikmoz, and PenulisHantu: ping.
• Support either 2020 coronavirus lockdowns [small "c"!] or 2020 coronavirus lockdowns and travel restrictions. Wenzhou is only one city that makes an exception to the Hubei-limited present title of the article; one exception does not force a title change. On the other hand, it's reasonable to allow the scope to extend to "strong" quarantine measures (mixes of lockdowns/quarantines and travel restrictions) elsewhere, where the use of the label "lockdown" is a matter of style of the media reporting the event; the cruiser with 3500 or so people quarantined by Japan (if I'm not confused) right now effectively is as tight a quarantine as the city-level lockdowns, and the number of people is that of a small town. The word "restrictions" on its own would be too vague: restrictions of what? @Yug: - the speed of closing the discussion by an uninvolved editor can be faster than 7 days if there is a case of WP:SNOW - but this would need a big enough number of editors to participate in the discussion and there would have to be a clear, strong consensus. Remember that Wikipedia is not news. Boud (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
• Agree with Boud because while Wenzhou is only cities outside Hubei that place under lockdown, this article needs to extend coverage to information about quarantine, travel restrictions, or mixed methods of it in other countries for example like Hong Kong. Many sections about travel restriction to China already copyedit to this article because it relates to lockdown. So my suggestions of the title would be 2020 coronavirus lockdowns and travel restrictions or Lockdowns and travel restrictions during the 2019-20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.69.56.176 (talk) 21:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

• Agree Do to the recent Global events, also it should have the name of the virus since right now it's vague a lockdown can be from anything.2601:81:C401:7810:9C01:A8CC:7C58:1F5C

• Support '2020 coronavirus lockdowns and travel restrictions' Quarantine methods have moved beyond Hubei, and even China per the cruise ship quarantines, the international quarantine camps (eg. Australia and Christmas Island) which are all notable in RS enough to deserve coverage. Sleath56 (talk) 01:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support '2020 coronavirus lockdowns and travel restrictions' However, there appears to be substanial overlap between this topic and Mainland China during the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak. Consideration should be given to avoiding bulk duplication of content. - Wikmoz (talk) 04:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

• There's strong overlap at the moment - I agree. But unless someone proposes to delete this article, then that's orthogonal to the rename/move issue. People willing to do the editing effort might be motivated by the closure of the move. Boud (talk) 14:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Revised proposal below - Wikmoz (talk) 23:28, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support 2020 coronavirus lockdowns and travel restrictions. Several cities outside Hubei have taken action so far. As the event progressing, the move should be considered. Peterwu2019 (talk) 08:34, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
• Delete or repurpose by renaming to 2019-nCoV international containment effort (or just travel restrictions) retaining only the bottom half of the article, Reactions and measures outside Mainland China section of content. The top half of the article can be merged into Mainland China during the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak#Hubei lockdowns where there is already significant overlap and indeed several sections of that article have more detailed information on the Hubei lockdown than this breakout. - Wikmoz (talk) 23:28, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support rename to 2020 coronavirus lockdowns in China (to avoid ambiguity - it's not the China coronavirus), and merge the material from Mainland China during the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak#Hubei lockdowns into this one, because Mainland China during the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak#Hubei lockdowns is already too big to read or edit comfortably - 210 kb in source content; and in parallel, WP:SPLIT off the present bottom half of this article into 2019-nCoV international containment effort or 2019-nCoV international travel restrictions. Although the Hubei and PRC-non-Hubei confirmed new infection counts have become roughly constant for about 8 and 4–5 days, respectively, so growth is no longer exponential, it's unlikely that these lockdowns and restrictions will be completely lifted in less than a month or so, and even then some level of quarantining or smaller lockdowns could be imposed each time there's a cluster of new infections. So keeping a Hubei/China lockdown article (this one) separate from Mainland China during the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak#Hubei lockdowns will avoid having to split that article when it's huger than it is now. Boud (talk) 02:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Regarding 2019-nCoV international containment effort, while public interest will surely decline in coming months (hopefully weeks), I think clear documentation of the effort will have historical value. - Wikmoz (talk) 07:25, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely agree per Boud as Mainland China during the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak#Hubei lockdowns section as too long to read or edit at 210 kb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.224.32 (talk) 05:52, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: May I suggest repurposing and renaming it to Lockdowns related to the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak (or alternatively, Containment efforts related to the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, as per above), like these "evacuations", "xenophobia and racism", and "misinformation" counterparts. For consistency reasons maybe? And repurposing it would also tackle isolated lockdowns across the globe (if there are any of course). --hueman1 (talk) 09:23, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose: Supported earlier, but changed my mind upon reflection as events developed. I believe the Hubei lockdowns are independently notable enough to warrant this page being kept. The most restrictive quarantine/lockdown style procedures are still predominantly in Hubei. Support keeping this, and creating a second Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 outbreak for all of the rest of the cases in China and also internationally, with the cruises and the quarantine camps, which doesn't have a place to go yet. Sleath56 (talk) 17:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Sleath56's opinion. Mariogoods (talk) 23:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: Move now to reflect lockdowns across China. Title needs to be in sync with the main article, which is currently 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak. Should also be updated with the relevant article on the Chinese Wikipedia. NoNews! 04:03, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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Hongkong : mainland visitors quarantined

• NY times > Coronavirus Updates : Death Toll Rises and Hong Kong Imposes Quarantines. Those arriving in Hong Kong from China will spend 14 days quarantined. In China, the death toll is approaching 500. Yug (talk) 15:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

• I crossed some today news about quarantines in Tianjin. 19:16, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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