Talk:C. J. Mahaney

Neutrality

I would like to officially dispute the neutrality of this page. Tsjackso 12:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The only possibly non-neutral statement I see at this point is that he's "happily married". Is that what you're disputing? raekwon 13:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

There isn't anything too radical on this page; if anything its too conservative. I've held off of writting anything major until I find sources.Gabriel Spiro 01:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

post-tomczak

can anybody add in some more detail on the post-tomczak mahaney? (ie. 1998-2008, well referenced)

I don't think this is very relevant. Tomczak leaving did not cause a significant change on C.J Mahaney, or on PDI. --Mark (Mschel) 19:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It did. Compare his pre-1998 associations with his post-1998 ones and the shift is enormous. Unless you are saying that SGM is a part of the shepherding and restorationist movements, which it was during the Tomczak years? Anyway... what I meant was: are you able to add in detail on Mahaney's recent activities? Somthing covering the period 1998-2008 would be really helpful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Look2008 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference 2 is a broken link. Can anyone add a valid reference here? --Superduperpup (talk) 09:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The broken link is fixed Look2008 (talk) 11:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Tomzack leaving

"Mahaney served as a co-leader (with his mentor Larry Tomczak) of that church for 18 years, before the two parted ways, never to be seen on the same platform again." Is there a source to conclude that they were never to be seen on the same platform again? Neither man is dead, so even if they haven't appeared together yet, we don't know that there won't be some context in the future where they will be together. I recommend this being sourced our removed.

I think the following should be removed:

Tomczak himself has described the split as "an unbelievable nightmare" during which his family were "were threatened in various ways if we did not cooperate with [SGM]... A letter was circulated in an attempt to discredit me and to distort the events surrounding my departure"[3]. No formal public statement has ever been made by Mahaney on this situation.

1. he left from SGM not CJ and it is included in the SGM page.

2. It has a negative point of view.

Also, is there a source for this "No formal public statement has ever been made by Mahaney on this situation." Everyone who I spoke who was affiliated at the time says that the letter was written by Larry himself and that there was a statement given at the time.

If we keep the paragraph in, which I think should be deleted, it should at least be sourced.

What does Larry Tomczaks claim have to do with the life of CJ Mahaney? I think it is irresponsible to certain parties to continually seek to discredit Sovereign Grace and CJ Mahaney. These individuals seem to have an axe to grind and so are looking to do it on Wikipedia when there is no need to. All posts should have a strictly neutral point of view and not be leaning towards biases or slander. Julesa29 (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC) Julesa29

As others have pointed out, Tomczak was one of Mahaney's mentors. Why is reporting history and some of the more grey and questionable actions of Soverereign Grace Ministries always called dicrediting? If the questionable acts discredit then they should speak for themselves. Is it discrediting or giving a balanced account of the group's history? Will you only be satisfied when these read like a press release? Geocacher301 (talk) 13:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

What do you think? Potatoeater100 11:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)Potatoeater100

Most of what is written there has citations. I might agree that the "No formal" statement should be removed. As indicated, Larry Tomczak mentored Mahaney and the discussion and separation belong IMO in this entry for Mahaney. Geocacher301 (talk) 04:01, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

CAROLYN MAHANEY I have added the short sentence informing readers of Carolyn Mahaney, CJ's wife. I also included an internal link to take interested readers to my page on Carolyn. I have created a page detailing Carolyn and her ministry. I would greatly appreciate any reviews or critiques of my page "Carolyn Mahaney". This is my first time contributing to Wikipedia and I would love any feedback you could provide! Thanks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.113.72.132 (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I would agree that this page needs updating. Why so much secrecy with this subject matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GodSeesAll (talk • contribs) 20:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Does anybody not directly involved with Mahaney ever mention him?

From the sourcing in this article, it would seem not. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 16:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Mahaney Only Meets the Notability Guidelines Respecting His Alleged Involvement/References to Him in Civil Suits/Criminal Trials Respecting Child Sexual Abuse

This bias in this article is off-the-wall and many of its statements are irrelevant. Who cares if Mahaney "cared more about sports than God." Mahaney is not a major religious leader in that he's known by people outside a relatively small religious circle. The sources provided don't meet Wikipedia's guidelines and therefore call into question whether Mahaney is notable enough to be on Wikipedia.

On the other hand, Mahaney now has a growing claim to fame revolving around allegations that he was extensively involved/is still involved in controversial child sex abuse issues.He has been featured in mainstream news sources (as opposed to religious media or blogs) such as the Washington Post and Huffington Post respecting a large class action suit, and concluded or potential criminal trials, in which people are alleging that he was/is deeply involved in a conspiracy to cover up child sexual abuse at his former Church. He has also been accused of breaking the law by not reporting child abuse, per the law in Maryland.

However, there's no point in amending the article as Mahaney's friends and family will simply change it back to its current state. 71.191.244.247 (talk) 13:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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time for an update?

The latest item in this post is dated 2016. Has there been any activity worth mentioning since then? Such as the following...

http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/the-inside-story-al-mohler-severed-all-personal-ties-with-cj.html

Gflowers@patton.com (talk) 18:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)