Talk:Butt (unit)

Duke of Clarence

In re: to the 00:46, August 3, 2006 ThanosMadTitan23 edit that was essentially a revert, can you provide some historical sources that can confirm the Duke of Clarence drowning as fact? For the benefit of the article it would need a reliable source to show that this incident is more then a traditional anecdote. I will give you some time to work on fleshing that area out. Agne 04:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Size of pipe

The measure of a pipe - in particular in relation to port wine - given in this article is not the same as given in the wine-specific reference literature. Rather, 550 l or 534.24 l, depending on purpose, is given.[1] Either the size has been different at different points in time, or butt and pipe is not (or no longer) synonymous. Tomas e (talk) 13:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Units of drink volume have indeed varied over time (but pipe and butt are indeed synonymous); their modern values are relics of particular moments in history (mostly the 1700s, when standardization became widespread) when a relevant industry settled on a then-current standard. For example, the US gallon is a wine gallon (dating from the reign of Queen Anne) defined as 231 cubic inches, later superseded in the UK (after the US broke free) by a beer gallon defined (replacing an earlier beer gallon defined as 282 cubic inches) as the volume of 10 lbs of water. While the firkin (9 gallons) and kilderkin (at least in the UK, 2 firkins) are well-defined relative to the gallon, the barrel and hogshead (hence the pipe = 2 hogshead) vary with type of drink. See http://www.chaos.org.uk/~eddy/dev/study.py.html for a python package whose study.value.archaea module covers some of this craziness (based on old hand-books found in an English pub). The wine (or US) hogshead is 63 wine (or US) gallons; but a beer hogshead is 54 beer gallons (of the 282 cubic inch variety). I don't have data for other drinks, but I consider this background to support your concerns about the veracity of the article ;-> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.38.1 (talk) 17:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed sizes

Madeira or Cape Wine

92 gallons or 348 litres,

Sherry

108 gallons or 409 litres,

Brandy

114 gallons or 431.5 litres,

Port Wine

115 gallons or 435 litres.

I removed these uncited statements - without citations there is no way to know if the metric conversions (from US gallons, it looks like) are accurate because there's no way to tell what kind of gallon it is referring to. Tomas e's value for port wine above is roughly consistent with if the 115 gallon number were in imperial (115 gallons = 522 L) --Random832 (contribs) 02:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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Conversion

I convert 108 imperial gallons to 491 liters but the article states 490 litres. Why the discrepancy? AprilHare (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

And, 126 Igal is 572.8 litres. 2001:56A:F03F:5200:AD32:8631:4F19:2060 (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Rounding error, the butts in those days weren't made very precisely to an exact volume. "these standards were not always precisely adhered to" So it would be meaningless to be more precise than that!

194.207.86.26 (talk) 06:11, 27 April 2019 (UTC)