Talk:Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment)

“Steady, the Buffs!”

This old fashioned expression, telling someone to not commit some rash action, appears in several writings of the 19th and 20th century. What is its origin? 88.84.2.117 (talk) 20:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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Note: Thomas Howard was Colonel from 1737 to 1749, when he was succeeded by his son, George Howard, the regiment's former Lieutenant-Colonel. Previous notation of George being their colonel in 1744 was therefore erroneous.

Note: The article refers to their use of "buff leather" accoutrements instead of white leather, but white leather is buff leather. Buff clothing as well as leather ranges in color from white to an off-white cream. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.107.26.132 (talk) 13:06, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

The distinction being made is between leather whitened artificially with pipe clay and buff leather in its natural state which would range from creamy to mid-brown depending on its age and how it was maintained. 'Buff' here is not a colour but a reference to the origin of the hide- boeuf - the French for 'ox'. It then came later to be a term used to refer to a uniform facing colour similar, in theory, to the colour of natural ox hide. Hence, 'The Buffs.' JF42 (talk) 22:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I have amended references to the regimental name for accuracy. The mention of buff coats and coats of green was not correct.JF42 (talk) 14:30, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Battle Honours

The article mentions that the 4th Battalion participated in the Third Anglo-Afghan War of 1919, however, 'Afghanistan 1919' is not included in the Regiment's list of battle honours. Does anyone know if the Regiment received this battle honour or not? If so, it should be included in the section on battle honours. AustralianRupert (talk) 08:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Type and Role

The above is currently set as: Type Line Infantry
Role Light Infantry

Isnt this a contrdiction how can it be both line and light infantry?

Steady The Buffs

Adjutant John Cotter was not a Scot. He was born 10 Aug 1823 in London to an Irish father and an English mother.

Tishtosh20 (talk) 09:25, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the proposal was no move. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment) → The Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment) – If they're called "The Buffs" why not move this there? This looks like an oversight. Chrisrus (talk) 04:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose, per WP:THE. Reliable sources are inconsistent. Unless moved as suggested by the nominator, the lead will need updating in accordance with the current title. -- Trevj (talk) 06:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Which clause(s) in WP:THE? One does capitalize the article mid-sentence, does one not? You seem to know of WP:RSes that call them simply "Buffs" without the article. Were you thinking of http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museums/0000000020-Buffs-Royal-East-Kent-Regiment-Museum-Collection.htm? That seems to be such an outlier to me given all the rest we have in the reference section that aren't dead links. Could be an oversight of their website? Also, I'm not sure what you meant when you said "Unless....title". If we moved it, what in the article would have to change? Imagine if we deleted the first word right now. I don't know that it'd be an improvemnt. Chrisrus (talk) 20:18, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

    If the name of the article is not the title of a work, an official name, or another proper name, avoid the definite ("the") and indefinite ("a"/"an") articles at the beginning of a page name. Some sources not using "The" as part of the title are [1] and The Times, 1860. Regarding the lead, if the article is moved it won't necessitate a change. But if not (hence "unless"), the lead will need to say The Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment). -- Trevj (talk) 12:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose – WP:THE the name of the article is not the title of a work, an official name, or another proper name. Like here. Dicklyon (talk) 01:58, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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The honour of being nicknamed the "Young Buffs"."

"When one of his aides, an officer of the 3rd regiment, corrected His Majesty, he then cheered, non-plussed, "Bravo, Young Buffs! Bravo!", thus granting the 31st the honour of being nicknamed the "Young Buffs"."

Although not directly relevant to the history of the Buffs, this is a classic inflation of a regimental tradition into an 'honour.' George II's alleged exclamation is simply the origin of a name adopted, as almost all regimental nicknames were, by the 31st for themselves. It is not an battle honour (that system of recognition had yet to evolve) nor was it an authorised distinction, of which there were very few in the mid C18th. The Royal association does not add the nickname of the 'Young Buffs' any more dignity than that of the 'Old Buffs.' JF42 (talk) 10:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Colonel-in-Chief

Why was the tradition of having the King of Denmark as C-I-C revived in 1906? Curious. 88.84.2.117 (talk) 20:42, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

conductor

Whilst in New South Wales the band was conducted by Thomas Bulch