Talk:Buckie

Style

Someone is clearly puting a lot of effort into the article but just isn't in the correct style. The ideal template for a town is Evanton. This does not use patently untrue terms such as Buckie can probably be regarded as the point of origin of the Scottish shellfish industry or This never came to pass and Buckie was left with what is probably the grandest church in NE Scotland outside of Aberdeen. At times it reads like a tourist pamphlet and really isn't doing the town any favours. I am trying to be constructive here and am willing to help make it more encyclopaedic. --Bill Reid | Talk 16:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments Bill. However I find your charge of the use of "patently untrue terms" to be rather unkind. Maybe I have been guilty of not using an exhaustive bibliography but this will be rectified if only to put doubters' minds at ease. On the two specific charges I shall expound. Firstly St Peters in Buckpool is a remarkably large and ornate religious construction for its time and its location. It is the only example of an attempt to build a cathedral in the 19th century, or indeed since, in the UK outside of the main population centres and as such is a rather spectacular building. I will ensure that this entry shall not offend and an accurate bibliography will be in place very shortly with accreditation to the person who actually described the church in the manner quoted. Of the next point, Buckie can probably be regarded as the point of origin of the Scottish shellfish industry there can be little argument if something is known of the shellfish industry. Charles Eckersley created the industry almost single-handed and as he was my childhood next-door neighbour I had the opportunity and privilege to observe his efforts and successes. I would suggest that I edit the entry to read "the MODERN Scottish shellfish industry" but any other changes would be unsympathetic to the truth - this is what we are trying to portray is it not?

I can assure you that I regularly ask Buckie notables and historians with a much greater knowledge than I to be rigorous in their appraisal of the Wikipedia entry for the town and I have been given nothing but support.

Your "tourist pamphlet" jibe does resonate with me and I confess that much of the page as it stands so far is somewhat positive. However it may interest you to know that I am collaborating right now on a further section which will examine the previous "ferm toons" and slums in Buckie - not very glamorous by all accounts - and to complete this I have enlisted the help of a former educator who had first-hand experience of these and their inhabitants. There will also be an upcoming section on environmental issues including erosion.

I would humbly suggest that you reread the Wikipedia notes on "tone" where you will discover that the Buckie entry does indeed comply. There is no use of unintelligible argot, doublespeak, legalese, or jargon. Further there is no use of first or second person perspective. I will step up the accreditation of reliable sources so as to ease the accountability of the statements contained within the entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philfaebuckie (talk • contribs) 07:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully the references, external links and further details have contributed to a more encyclopaedic feel. As will be noted the "patently untrue" items have been referenced. It should be qualified that ignorance of something does not make it untrue, patently or otherwise. Similarly not offering references does not negate the worth of a statement, it simply requires that a reference should be cited to back it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philfaebuckie (talk • contribs) 18:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for my lack of signature! I just forget sometimes. Apologies! Philfaebuckie (talk) 18:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Phil. Been away from WP for a while and missed your reply. On re-reading my message I would have to say that it wasn't exactly written encouragingly - sorry. What I'm saying is that to attribute to Buckie the accolade of being the point of origin of the Scottish shellfish industry can't be correct. Even the Moray Seafoods web-site that you use as your source doesn't make that claim. There is no single place that you could point your finger at and say that's where it all began. Prawn fishing takes place all round the Scottish coast (and beyond) with major processors found all over Scotland - see [1]. You could probably justify Buckie as being a major shellfish processing town—but the point of origin for the entire shellfish industry which includes the fishermen, boats, ancillary workers, etc? As regards St Peters Church, again you're source website doesn't make the claim that it ...is arguably the grandest church in NE Scotland outside of Aberdeen. or if it does I couldn't locate it. Nevertheless it is a striking building but you could argue that Forres and Nairn parish churches are its equal—and that's what I mean, unless you have a cast-iron independent citation then its our own points of view which shouldn't be in articles. Rgds, Bill Reid | ^Talk 17:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Bill

Glad that you are back on the case! I find it somewhat difficult to be able to cite the shellfish case as a matter of record because the reference material appears not to be available online. However I grew up next door to Charlie Eckersley, the man who saw the light, and was well acquainted with many a fisherman who remembered only too well that prawns, scallops and the like were thrown back into the sea as useless because there was no market in Scotland. I was brought up on this and it was only in the late 60s and into the 70s that any form of competition to Eckersley started to form in the Scottish market. By that time he was sending trucks as far afield as Alicante and Vienna with all points in between covered. Now, I'm not trying to claim that he invented the wheel as far as shellfish in Scotland but he certainly was the individual who worked out that there was a commodity on our doorsteps. Certainly shellfish was consumed before Charlie Eckersley came along but that was on pretty much a private basis in that fishermen might take a "fry" home with them. There would certainly have been no shortage of shellfish in fishing communities but there was no industry to back that up. I have discussed this at length with Buckie historians and people certainly more learned than I on this matter and they all concur. Please understand that I do try to be as rigorous as possible and will regularly ask for criticism from individuals who I know will have a deeper insight into the subject matter than I.

I understand your sentiments on the church matter and I fully appreciate that the use of so-called "weasel" words is not to be encouraged. I shall adjust accordingly!

On a personal note, when I read your criticism initially I was suffering from a dental abscess and would have taken a pop at anybody or anything that day! No offence intended. Philfaebuckie (talk) 11:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

re. An Essay

Interesting reading but non-encyclopedic, unsourced and reads as original research being placed in the article second-hand without permission from the source, at present. Regards, David. Harami2000 (talk) 13:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Philfaebuckie - you have to tell the truth. I was brought up on the the stories of the scampi starting from Buckie and other things. My dad worked for Charlie E in the 70s. Then Folk from Banff and other places dont like it so they say its not true. Dont let them push you down boy. Buckie is not the sick town of Scotland like some people say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BuckieLugger (talk • contribs) 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The surrounding area - For Tourists

The whole area from Portgordon to Cullen is a hidden Gem. We visited recently and noted the sunniest days in May, great walks and what was evident was the beatiful edwardian villas in the town of Buckie. Clearly there was a lot of wealth from fishing related industries in the early part of the 20th Century here. One of the most attractive small harbour villages is Findochty and Strathlene bay is good for walks too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.66.201 (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Reason for revert?

Someone just did a copy edit which was reverted and no reason given. The edits looked like an improvement and would appreciate a reason why the article was reverted. The article is not written in an encyclopedic manner (as I said years ago) and really needs people to try and get this sorted. One section is an obvious copy-vio. I will go over the article and hopefully sort out the tourist information style and remove the copy-vio unless the main contributor decides to do it first, which would be preferable. --Bill Reid | (talk) 18:32, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation hatnote for Buckfast Tonic Wine

I added a link at the top of the article pointing to the other meaning of "Buckie". This was twice reverted for no good reason as far as I can see. The first reversion (here) made no sense, so I reinstated the hatnote. This addition was reverted again (here), making reference to "vandalism" (perhaps a mistaken, faulty description), but also indicating that "jakie vernacular" shouldn't be catered for.

In my opinion, "Buckie" is a well-established informal term for the tonic wine, and it should not matter what type of person might use the term. So I am reinstating the hatnote again, and I hope anyone with views on this can discuss things here first.

--A bit iffy (talk) 15:53, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Kickboxing

Re. the entry:

"Kickboxing is another leisure activity available in Buckie. There is a dedicated martial arts studio based in the Douglas Centre and it is fast becoming a popular pastime.[citation needed]"

Surely this an attempt by a private business to advertise on this page. Should this line not be removed? Ivmoz (talk) 15:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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Rove Buckie

"Rove Bucky is far from understandable and could be a scribe's error and should perhaps read Over Bucky as occurs in older title deeds, in distinction to Nether Buckie."

I think this means "Buckie Headland/Point" (Rubha). The word is anglicised as Rhu- or Row- in other areas of Scotland. 31.94.69.222 (talk) 11:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)