Talk:Brymbo Steelworks

Stub

I have expanded this article, but it is still a stub: I think there is an article vt I. Edwards in Transactions of Denbighshire Historical Society in 1960s which should fill in more details. Peterkingiron 13:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability

Some one tagged this article as lacking "importance". I dispute that. Its founder John Wilkinson (industrialist) was a notable figure in the industrial revolution. In my view this makes it notable, as does the survivial of a late 18th century furnace stack on the site, which is (I believe) NOT open to the public. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You have missed the point. The tag clearly says the article lacks information on the importance of the subject matter, not that the subject isn't important. Since no changes have been made to the article, I am putting the tag back up. You seem to have some knowledge of this subject, perhaps you could edit the article so that the importance of this steelworks is clear to the general public. Thanks Beeblbrox (talk) 02:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I feared that this was a prelude to nominating it for AFD, which I would want to contest. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

In 1841, the works and estate were to be bought by Robert Roy

Does this mean that

(a) the intention was that the works should be bought but for some reason this didn't happen, or

(b) the works actually were bought?

If (b), can we just simply say that - 'Robert Roy bought the works and estate in 1841' - instead of trying to be ornate about it?86.176.194.183 (talk) 04:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

The source cited is a Wrexham Council page on the subject. This avoids the ornate language, but reading between the lines, I suspect that the situation was slightly more complicated. A list of 1841 names the owners as "Brymbo Iron Co" and an 1843 list as "Joint Stock Co". I suspect that the ornate language results from the truth being slightly more complicated. Possibly Robert Roy copntracted to buy the estate, but the sale was completed to a syndicate, including him, which then floated the business as a joint stock company, which at that period may have needed to operate as a trust, with the shareholders as beneficiaries and the directors as trustees. This involves an element of guesswork, so that I am reluctant to alter the text, without a clearer source. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:35, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, the situation does seem to be complicated. From "The Story of Brymbo":

"The long association of the Robertson family with Brymbo began in 1840, when Robert Roy, an uncle of Henry B. Robertson, took over the Works and immediately set about developing the property."

[According to the previous chapter, the works was at this time owned by Mr Reid, Sir Duncan McDougall and Major Campbell.]

"One of the Scottish banks which had advanced large sums of money for the development of the Brymbo properties, feeling a certain anxiety over the safeguarding of its investment, approached Mathieson [a Glasgow contractor] and asked him if he could suggest a thoroughly compentent engineer who could carry out an independent study of Brymbo. Mathieson had no hesitation at all in reccomending Robertson for the task and so Henry came to Brymbo and in due course submitted his report. The directors of the bank were so impressed by it that they straightway offered Robertson the financial backing which would enable him

to participate actively in the development of the properties.

In 1842, The Brymbo Mineral and Railway company was formed with Henry Robertson as a member of the board of directors which also included Robert Roy, William Betts and Alexander M. Ross."

So it seems that Brymbo was purchased by a limited company, with Robert Roy on the board and the money coming from a Scottish bank. Bruern Crossing (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Terminology

The article starts "The Brymbo Steel Works was a former large steelworks in the village of Brymbo near Wrexham, Wales. In operation between 1796 and 1990 ...".

Are we sure about that? Was it making steel in 1796?

Also the article uses steelworks (one word) and steel works (two words) indiscriminately. That may seem to some unimportant, but it's things like that which cost Wikipedia credibility.

Also if you condense the first sentence, it's "Brymbo steelworks was a steelworks in Brymbo." Hmmm. Afterbrunel (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)