Talk:Brooke Kinsella

The lesbian scene

I can't believe this without verification - justs seems way to faciful! I don't think any actor wants to be sacked, and I think there would be more than enough time to reshot the scene as per the script - or edit the scene out if that's not what the script writers intended. I have added it here until it can be verified

The gay scene between Kelly and Zoe in EastEnders was not planned by the writers, but rather a story Brooke implanted herself. By the time that the writers had realised what had happened, it was to late; Kelly's stories had to be rewritten as an "excuse" as to why the kiss had taken place — the story being Kelly had been over emotional and that Zoe responded as a life line. This cost a lot of time and effort, and ruined a few planned stories. Brooke Kinsella was fired because of this, despite the potential of her character

Rgds, - Trident13 14:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone add a detailed article on here brother's death

i dont have enough information on his death to do it myself,. but it has been reported here brother died from stab wounds, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fingerpokeofdoom (talk • contribs) 09:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ben Kinsella redirect

I have got rid of it as it redirects back to the Brooke Kinsella website. --Abdulha (talk) 15:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Abdulha

Race of brother's murderers

I keep on noting that the criminals were black, something all the media thought important to notice, yet editors think it is too politically incorrect for it to be in the article. In any article on a black who happened to be killed by a white, the article mentions that the criminal was white.--Comradesandalio (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

That's odd that people remove it. I see nothing wrong with stating a fact on wikipedia. It's not racist to state that he was killed by black people if he was. Has the identity of the killers been released? GG^Moan 23:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Although three suspects have been remanded in custody, no trial has taken place, so we do not actually know the identity of the killers. There has also been no suggestion that this crime was racially-motivated, so it is not rellevent to note the race of one party. I would note, of course, that this page does not identify the race of either the subject or her murdered brother. Nick Cooper (talk) 07:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The article says that witnesses saw him being attacked by four black youths. Politically incorrect, but a fact that the witnesses thought, truely or falsely, that the attackers were black. That should be stated in wikipedia. If we find out later that that was false, it should be removed. The race should be mentioned if internet sites, racist and non-racist, and media keep on noting it. Why should wikipedia not note what the media notes? What makes the race of the suspected murderer not relevant but other facts in the article relevant?

Also, it is rather interesting to note that the article on Stephen Lawrence says that his murderers were white, even though no one was convicted of his murder!--Comradesandalio (talk) 14:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

"Politically incorrect" doesn't come into it. There has been no suggestion that the crime was racially motivated, therefore the race of whoever may or may not have perpetrated it is irrelevent. As to Stephen Lawrence, the article does not say his murderers were white. If you are going to try to counter this with a specific example, at least try using a real one. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll leave it at that.--Comradesandalio (talk) 18:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It is fact that the murderers are black. The Metropolitan Police, many mainstream media organisations and witnesses clearly stated that fact. There have been no conflicting reports on that; no-one claims otherwise. Many people have stated that the murder was racially motivated: I have read and heard that claim with my own eyes and ears. It is not at all irrelevant to state the killers' race when it is known. It is clearly stated on the article, as well as on the large majority of media sources, that the killers are young and male. No-one wants to cover up those facts. No-one claims it is ageist/ephebophobic to state that they are young, nor does anyone try to keep the public from finding out that they are young. No-one claims it is sexist/androphobic/misandric to state that they are male, nor does anyone try to keep the public from finding out that they are male. As there is no justification for (trying to) hide the killers' youth or gender, there is no justification for doing likewise with their race. Anyone who tries to prevent the public from finding out the killers' race is trying to hide the truth. This is an encyclopedia, an place to find factual information; we should not delete or omit anything simply because it brings into question New Labour's disastrous agenda. Werdnawerdna (talk) 06:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

A simple test: Would you mention that the suspects were white, if that were the case? The fact that there has been no drive to identify the race of the suspects in the murder of Rhys Jones is illustrative of this. There seems to be little evidence (as opposed to idle comment) that Kinsella's murder was racially motivated, though no doubt if it was it will come out at any future trial or inquest. Nick Cooper (talk) 08:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Why mention that Kinsella's murderers were male? Who needs to know? What purpose does it serve? Was the crime gender-motivated? Why not just refer to them as "people"?

It's probably time for a new version of wikipedia that is free from the cold, dead hand of these censors who methodically strip information that makes them uncomfortable out of articles. They are blatant distorters of the truth.Shiresman (talk) 10:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

And give in to the closet racists, you mean? There are hundreds of pages on Wikipedia about killers and their victims, but the races of either are rarely mentioned unless there was a specific race-related issue in the killings. There has never been any suggestion in this particular case that there was such an issue, so it's superfluous detail. Nick Cooper (talk) 11:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It is preferable to present all the facts and allow the reader to draw his/her own conclusions.

Again, why mention that the killers are males? Surely that is also "superfluous detail"?Shiresman (talk) 13:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Re-added claim about knives

I was not disputing the existence of the protests, only the reference to “Britain’s growing knife culture”, which is unsupported and difficult to prove in any case. If inclusion in the lead is justified, it could perhaps be changed to a reference to this being one of a disturbing number of murders of teenagers in London. Billwilson5060 (talk) 17:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, that sounds like a good idea.GunGagdin^Moan 17:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Stabbing

In The Bill S14E07 "Girl Power" (Jan 15,1998), Brooke plays Mel Dyson, a girl who wants to join a girl gang so bad she stabs her best friend.(185.239.56.135 (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC))