Talk:British Rail Class 172

Question

According to the barking - Gospel Oak Line User Group they have been told that a 2 car version of this class will be used on the GOBLIN 62.49.61.203 21:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry forgot to log in Wilmot1 21:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Speed

Can we have a reference for the speed? - I can't find one but I head that it's 75mph and not 100. 82.36.81.159 19:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Presumably htey will be the same as the normal 170's (ie 100mph), otherwise i could mean they will have diffrent gearing ??? Pickle 17:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

8 or 9?

Do we know the reason for the 9th London Overground unit? Are they giving the GOBLIN an extra unit or do they have some other use planned for it? At the moment the article seems to contradict itself. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

There is only going to be 8 London Overground units according to Bombardier. Unisouth (talk) 10:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Mechanical transmission?

Talk on uk.railway that this should in fact be "hydro-mechanical" a la Voith. Can someone check this and provide a reference? 86.132.142.153 (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea.

However I have removed it (for now)

"The Class 172s will have mechanical transmission rather than the hydraulic transmission that is fitted to the Class 168, 170 & 171."

I don't think it's my responsibility to find out who added it and ask them were they got the info from.

Certainly I would like to know either way.213.249.232.187 (talk) 16:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

"The sets (Class 172/0) are the latest development of the Turbostar family and incorporate a diesel-mechanical transmission" according to Ian Allan Rail Guide 2011, page 83. I don't know whether the transmission is fully automatic or semi-automatic but, either way, I expect there would be an improvement in fuel consumption compared to a diesel-hydraulic. Biscuittin (talk) 18:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

ZF brochure (pdf) can be downloaded here [1] and transmission details are on page 4. There seem to be three types - ZF Ecomat (6 speeds + torque converter), ZF AS (12 speeds + dry clutch), ZF EcoLife (6 speeds + torque converter). The Class 172 apparently has the ZF Ecomat (with torque converter) so I think the transmission should be described as hydro-mechanical rather than just mechanical. Biscuittin (talk) 09:28, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

On the Class 170/171 the torque converter will be in use during the entire acceleration period, until lockup into direct drive occurs at cruising speed. I suspect that, on the Class 172, the torque converter will only be in use briefly during gear-changing, so I would expect a significant improvement in fuel economy. Biscuittin (talk) 09:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Differences

It would be useful to have a section explaining the difference between a 172 and a 170 or 171. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

172/1s and tripcock

The article says that Chiltern Railways will have 172/1s and later that CR's trains will not have the tripcock. The RH panel says 172/1s will have tripcock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.49.185 (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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Reference named "TRC1":

• From British Rail Class 120: "Class 120, 179". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005. Retrieved 24 February 2016.
• From British Rail Class 151: "Class 151". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 8 November 2005. Retrieved 1 February 2016.
• From British Rail Class 129: "Class 129". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005. Retrieved 24 February 2016.
• From British Rail Class 128: "Class 128". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 143: "Class 143". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 155: "Class 155". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 122: "Class 121, 149". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 124: "Class 124, 180, 181". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005. Retrieved 24 February 2016.
• From British Rail Class 141: "Class 141". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 144: "Class 144". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 142: "Class 142". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005. Retrieved 1 February 2016.
• From British Rail Class 156: "Class 156". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 158: "Mechanical And Electrical Coupling Index". Rail Safety and Standards Board. Archived from the original on 21 December 2013. Retrieved 20 December 2010.
• From British Rail Class 150: "Class 150". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 153: "Class 153". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 9 March 2005.
• From British Rail Class 508: "Class 508". The Railway Centre. Archived from the original on 24 July 2008. Retrieved 31 January 2016.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:10, 16 January 2020 (UTC)