Talk:British Journal of Politics and International Relations
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editPer WP:THE, the use of the definite article 'the' in a page name should only be used if it is an official part of the name and not merely there for the sake of grammar. That 'the' is not part of the BJPIR's name is demonstrated by the Wiley's announcement that: "From January 1, 2016 the British Journal of Politics and International Relations will be published by SAGE [italics in original]" (see original link here). Ebonelm (talk) 00:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Both the journal's page on the Wiley website and its cover include "the" in the title. The page on the society's website uses "BJPIR", but the banner on top again includes "the" in the title. Finally, the journal's page at SAGE also includes "the" in the title (including the journal cover). "The" is therefore used systematically as part of the title. That "the" was not italicized in an announcement clearly is an exception and mistake. I have moved the article back to where it belongs. --Randykitty (talk) 08:40, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 21 June 2016
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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 03:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
The British Journal of Politics and International Relations → British Journal of Politics and International Relations – Page has been moved back and forth a couple of times now. This is clearly a case of WP:THE, the definite article 'the' is not part of the official name. There is a lot of evidence to demonstrate this. The Wiley's (which published BJPIR for 16 years) website omits 'the' as seen for example in the announcement that: "from January 1, 2016 the British Journal of Politics and International Relations will be published by SAGE [italics in original]" (see original link here). The submission guidelines on the SAGE (the new publishers) site omit the use of 'the' as seen here, actually completely omitting the use of 'the' at the beginning of sentences. If we look at the institutional academic webpages of the current editors of BJPIR we can also see that they do not include 'the' as part of the name, see Alan Convery here and John Peterson here. Ebonelm (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Support: nominator. Ebonelm (talk) 21:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- This move would be incorrect and clearly does not fall under WP:THE, per the evidence cited in the preceding section. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 21:50, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- So you're saying that the publisher of the journal for 16 years, the new publisher, and both of the journals editors-in-chief are wrong on the grounds that BJPIR uses a 'the' on its banner? The Bible often has a 'the' on the front cover but the page itself on Wikipedia is at Bible. Ebonelm (talk) 21:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- I al saying that the former publisher, the current publisher, and the society are correct: they use "the" in the title of their journal pages, on the cover of the journal, and in their banner. That some people on their personal pages are a bit sloppy is not something I find very convincing. --Randykitty (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Randykitty, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree and see what the rest of the community think of the evidence we have both presented. Ebonelm (talk) 22:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- I al saying that the former publisher, the current publisher, and the society are correct: they use "the" in the title of their journal pages, on the cover of the journal, and in their banner. That some people on their personal pages are a bit sloppy is not something I find very convincing. --Randykitty (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- So you're saying that the publisher of the journal for 16 years, the new publisher, and both of the journals editors-in-chief are wrong on the grounds that BJPIR uses a 'the' on its banner? The Bible often has a 'the' on the front cover but the page itself on Wikipedia is at Bible. Ebonelm (talk) 21:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Support The use of lower case "the" by the publisher in their announcement "From January 1, 2016 the British Journal of Politics and International Relations will be published by SAGE.", and the fact that they don't italicise "the", are conclusive evidence that "the" is not part of the title of the journal. PamD 07:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Evidence: I have to add that googling the phrase "the British Journal of Politics and International Relations" is inconclusive: quite an even split of "The" and "the". I think this one is important: announcement from academic department:
Edinburgh Politics & IR is now editorial home to the top international journal, the British Journal of Politics and International Relations.
They're editing it, they should know its official title. PamD 07:55, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I'd be interested to hear what our resident academic librarian has to say about this. @DGG:. --Randykitty (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Librarians debate thiss ort of things continually, and have come to no better conclusions than WP in such matters. The normal library rule last I heard is to omit the initial article unless it is used by the publication consistently. Bugttere is no reason for WP to follow the library rue, and I would remove initial articles as much as possible as a matter of style. DGG ( talk ) 02:02, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.