Talk:British Government frontbench/Archive 1

Archive 1

Misleading

This is not a list of the frontbench - this is the entire UK Government. I think its good to have a list, but the name is a little misleading! Thom2002 (talk) 19:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the entire government are frontbenchers and vice versa. The Cabinet are not the only frontbenchers. -Rrius (talk) 03:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

So surely this page should simply be called "Her Majesty's Government"? The term 'frontbench' doesn't really mean anything at all, if all members of the Government are included here. Thom2002 (talk) 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Because the Back Benchers are part of the government too, even if their just as likely to abstain or vote against government policy. WatcherZero (talk) 01:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

No, backbenchers are absolutely not part of the government. The government is the executive. Backbenchers are merely MPs. john k (talk) 15:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

If your position were correct, the term "Government backbencher" would be meaningless. "Government" has multiple meanings, including the frontbench, the party (or parties) in power, and executive including senior civil servants. Thus, "frontbench" is necessary. Anyway, there's already an article at Her Majesty's Government. -Rrius (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

There certainly are backbenchers, but they are not part of HM Government. You are right to say that the term "Government" has multiple meanings. However, the term "Her Majesty's Government" has only one meaning - it refers to those individuals listed on this page. In many ways, this page is a list of the members of HM Government. I think the title of this article should be "Members of HM Government". HM Government (as opposed to Parliament or a particular party) does not have a frontbench or a backbench. Thom2002 (talk) 18:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The more particular title makes more sense. You can quibble all you want to about backbenchers, but you can't reasonably argue that Her Majesty's Government makes more sense as the title for this article than what it is: a redirect to Government of the United Kingdom. Indeed, it used to be the title of the article. -Rrius (talk) 23:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Commented out ministers

Earlier, I commented out the Labour ministers. I have since replaced them with what is, in essence, the old Official Opposition frontbench as modified to be the government and with election losers removed. I have made it so that Cabinet ministers can be added as we learn who they are, then junior ministers added later. To add a Cabinet minister, you have to follow these steps:

1. Remove the <!-- tag directly above the section (i.e., directly above the == ==).
2. If necessary, change the name and party colour of the minister.
3. Remove the --> tag immediately after the minister's name.
4. Move the --> at the end of the section from the line below the |} to the end of the line above the |}.

For example

| [[Charles Cathcart, 7th Earl Cathcart|The Earl Cathcart]]
|}
--><!--
=== ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=4 width=550| [[Department of Culture, Media and Sport|Culture, Media and Sport]]
|-
| colspan=2  | [[Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport]]
| style="background:#0087DC" | 
| [[Jeremy Hunt (politician)|Jeremy Hunt]] --><!--
|-
| Minister for the Olympics
| style="background:#0087DC" | 
| [[Robin Dixon, 3rd Baron Glentoran|The Lord Glentoran]]
|}
--><!--

becomes

| [[Charles Cathcart, 7th Earl Cathcart|The Earl Cathcart]]
|}
-->
=== ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=4 width=550| [[Department of Culture, Media and Sport|Culture, Media and Sport]]
|-
| colspan=2  | [[Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport]]
| style="background:#0087DC" | 
| [[Jeremy Hunt (politician)|Jeremy Hunt]] <!--
|-
| Minister for the Olympics
| style="background:#0087DC" | 
| [[Robin Dixon, 3rd Baron Glentoran|The Lord Glentoran]]-->
|}
<!--

If no one wants to deal with it, I'm happy to handle it, but I thought it unfair to go to sleep in the US without explaining. -Rrius (talk) 03:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

To add

New ones to add,

Theresa May: Home Secretary and Minister for Women and Equality Chris Huhne: Energy and Climate Change Secretary Ken Clarke: Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor —Preceding unsigned comment added by WatcherZero (talk • contribs) 10:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• Jonathan Marland, Baron Marland to be Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the Department of Energy and Climate Change Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 18:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Junior Lords of the Treasury?

Have these not been appointed yet? john k (talk) 15:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Not yet; at least they haven't been announced. I assume they will be announced with the other whips. -Rrius (talk) 19:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, they were today, and I'm adding them now. -Rrius (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

DFID

Missing its house of lords spokesperson, Baroness Verma http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/sandip-verma/35518 Phd8511 (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Secretaries of State

Any reason why the SoS positions don't indicate whether they are in the Lords or the Commons? Thom2002 (talk) 18:41, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I think the idea is that they are necessary. The different colours help readers find the members of the proper house in a list of departmental ministers, but the SoS is clear from the presence or absence of "Lord" or "Baroness" and is already conspicuous. Then again, maybe not. It has been that way since User:Mauls converted to table format from an ordered-list format at the end of June 2007. I'll see if that editor can shed some light on the subject. -Rrius (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure there was any reason, other than maybe to call them out as the 'boss' of those below. I believe all secretaries of state in recent times have been members of the Commons in any event - whereas the departmental ministers are a mixture (by necessity - the government need at least one spokesperson for each department in the Lords). Mauls (talk) 11:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, Lord Mandelson was Business Secretary and Lord Adonis was Transport Secretary under Brown, and Baroness Amos was briefly International Development Secretary under Blair. -Rrius (talk) 03:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Honorifics

see Talk:List of current members of the British Privy Council DBD 19:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Table

Can someone fix the tables for me?

Thanks

Cantab1985 (talk) 02:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Good list plus PPS

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/dods-people/77259/updating-live-theresa-mays

Cantab1985 (talk) 09:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Feel like blanking this

since there is another article on this and no one else helped to edit.Cantab1985 (talk) 04:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Gove

Gove is not Minister for the Cabinet Office. 98.10.165.90 (talk) 23:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)