Talk:Brigham Young University–Idaho/Archive 1
Discussion edit
I edited a lot of the vandalism that occurred on this page. People made various smart alec comments related to their discontent with how the university is run, as well as the student body, and several stereotypes. I would recommend at least a temporary semi-protection on this page. Aedtl 09:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
The latest enrollment for Fall 2006 was over 13,000 students198.60.98.100 18:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed the emphasis from "not affiliated" because it seemed to push too much on an issue that most people will be completely unfamiliar with. In fact I think that whole sentence should be reworded to say what BYU-I is, not what it is not. If I don't get any flack on that issue, I'll do so. Salzgitter 14:59, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
I expanded the paragraph on the Honor Code and made it into a separate section. It would be nice if someone started a section on the school's "Rethinking Education" philosophy (of which the three-track system is part). --Kingofthesystem 07:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I was both pleased and disappointed coming back to this page a few months later. Pleased, because so much information and pictures had been added. Disappointed, because these additions had completely replaced the old article. Normally, I would not care (as improving articles is what Wikipedia is about), but the new article read like an advertisement (it was posted by BYU-Idaho Public Relations), avoided probing deeply into the Honor/Dress Codes, etc. Mostly, I cut and pasted parts from the old version (Feb 22 2006) that would balance the new one (with some editing to make these changes flow).--Kingofthesystem 02:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
BYU-I is a college not an University as per Websters definition of university. "an institution of higher learning providing facilities for teaching and research and authorized to grant academic degrees; specifically : one made up of an undergraduate division which confers bachelor's degrees and a graduate division which comprises a graduate school and professional schools each of which may confer master's degrees and doctorates" It retains University in its name because of its association with BYU-Provo. TimothyDOConnor 8:30, March 5, 2007
- I agree it doesn't fit Webster's definition, but the actual definition of what consitutes a "university" and what is a "college" is actually not legally defined in the United States (see College). Boston College is a prime example as it is really a full-fledged university, but chose to keep the "College" part of its name rather than add "University" and either change the name further (to differentiate from Boston University) or just be confused with BU. Schools with "college" are also typically liberal arts colleges, which BYU-Idaho really doesn't fit either. It also depends on each state too what can be classified a "college" or "university." But I agree the association with BYU is really the biggest reason it has "university" status. It gave BYU-Idaho almost instant accreditation. --JonRidinger 03:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
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Quality edit
Is it me or is this article of very poor quality? It reads like a brochure straight from the university rather than an encyclopedic article. I almost feel like the whole thing needs to be re-written! Any ideas where to start? --JonRidinger 03:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
- It's not you. BYU's article was pretty bad to before I started fixing it up, but not this bad. Wrad (talk) 04:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Good ideas...will see what I can add and improve. --JonRidinger (talk) 06:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Removed Text edit
I removed the following text, as it has had a citation tag since Nov. 2007:
Faculty edit
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BYU–Idaho employs approximately 470 faculty members. Instructors are engaged in a wide range of scholarly activities, but the faculty’s primary focus is on the teaching and development of students. The school maintains a low student to faculty ratio, and there is no faculty rank.
Please do not put the text back on the page without pertinent references. Thank you. --Eustress (talk) 21:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
BYU-I Userbox edit
Just wanted to let everyone know that I created a userbox for BYU-I students and alumni. Simply type {{User BYU-Idaho}} on your userpage and enjoy! --Eustress (talk) 23:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Ricks College edit
I have been thinking that perhaps it might be better to spin off a separate Ricks College article. BYU-Idaho is obviously a continuation of Ricks, but before and after the transition are two very different times, not only in regards to athletics, but activities, academics, and the campus itself. I've noticed as I've edited this page there are frequent "before the transition" or "after the transition"...Thoughts on this? Just something to think about. Obviously we would keep the history together, but we could take out the "before and after" stuff reflecting the current school on the BYU-Idaho article and the Ricks College "way it was" on a separate page. Or perhaps a better way to integrate the two here?? --JonRidinger (talk) 02:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- You could have some kind of Main article link for the History section (using the {{main}} template with Brigham Young University-Idaho history) that goes more in depth regarding Ricks, but that's as drastic a move as I would suggest, and it's something you could compile now and then create later and possibly get into DYK. I like how concise the history section in this article is right now. --Eustress (talk) 04:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Intro edit
There's been some back-and-forth editing on the intro, so I'm hoping we can discuss it a little if there are future edits. I've done the following:
- Bolded appropriate titles in the Intro (per WP:LEAD) to include its current name and acronyms, along with the most notable prior name (Ricks College)—bolding all the prior names is too much
- Put the acronyms in parentheses per WP:LEAD
- Made the Intro a bit more concise, moving text into two paragraphs; this section currently doesn't merit three paragraphs, as a paragraph should usually embody at least three sentences
Please discuss any objections to these bullets or significant changes regarding the lead here first. Thanks. --Eustress (talk) 04:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- The paragraphs also need to make logical sense. This is why I have placed the statement about the percentage of students who are LDS with relevant material. It is a noteworthy fact, but hardly one that should be put even before the mentioning of the history of the school and CES and BYU and how BYU-Idaho fits into that.
- I don't have a problem with three paragraphs, but I don't think it's that big of a deal either. --JonRidinger (talk) 06:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- As you can see I rewrote some stuff because there were some missing facts (like what did BYU-Idaho transition from?) and I do think BYU-Hawaii and the LDS Business College need to be mentioned as sister schools if BYU is mentioned since it shows the relationship between the four and how BYU-Idaho fits in. I reworded some of the history section in the opening so that it flowed better and so I could combine what had been the first two paragraphs into one. Once again I moved the fact about 99.7% of the students being Mormon to the end, not because it is the least significant fact, but because it lends support to the statement that precedes it in the current setup: "...almost all of whom are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." --JonRidinger (talk) 06:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
As far as the mentioning of the other CES schools, yes one can go to the CES article, but CES includes more than just the 3 BYU's and LDSBC, so showing how it is part of a particular system (in this case a system within a system) would include mentioning at least BYU and BYU-Hawaii since they share a common name and the fact that the BYU name is well-known to most people (but most don't realize there are two other schools with the BYU name). Next, BYU-Idaho's relation to BYU is the same as its relationship to BYU-Hawaii and LDSBC (sister schools) which is why I think they should be mentioned and the relation clarified: BYU-Idaho has three sister schools. Too many people assume that BYU-Idaho is a dependent branch campus of BYU (like BYU-Idaho students will eventually have to transfer to BYU to finish their coursework). Even though I did support using the term flagship to refer to BYU, since it isn't used, the wording certainly makes it appear that way as the paragraph mentions BYU-Idaho's relationship to BYU and then mentions the other two's relation to BYU not BYU-Idaho. Believe me, if there were more sister schools besides the other three I wouldn't favor listing all of them.--JonRidinger (talk) 17:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- I like your final rendition with the semicolons. Nice work! --Eustress (talk) 20:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Non-free images edit
The following images on this page were illegally posted by User:BYUIdahoPublicRelations: Newsporinew.jpg, Snowbuildingnew.jpg, Romneybldgnew.JPG, Byuieastentrancenew.jpg, and Manwaringnew.jpg. Should we remove them all and seek free pics, make them all fair-use, or try to get legitimate permission (Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission)? --Eustress (talk) 12:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- I was bold and removed the pictures until there copyright statuses can be fixed. --Eustress (talk) 14:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Get free images. There has to be someone here who is currently in or is going to be in Rexburg that can take pictures of things like the Spori building or the Snow building. No need to ask for copyright permission on pictures that can easily be replaced with higher resolution pictures. The pictures in question should be tagged and deleted in my opinion. --JonRidinger (talk) 14:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Rankings? edit
Can anyone find anything about rankings for the school? --Eustress (talk) 13:11, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- According to US News, "This school refused to fill out the U.S. News survey; limited data appear." BYU-Idaho appears as a "Baccalaureate Colleges (West), third tier". (see http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/directory/brief/drglance_1625_brief.php) --TrustTruth (talk) 15:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Marion G. Romney edit
I clarified the small statement on Marion G. Romney in the alumni section. The source from the New York Times obituary states he graduated from "Ricks Normal College" and the BYU-Idaho source simply says "Ricks Alumnus" but as far as I could find, it was still functioning as a high school, not a full-fledged institution of higher learning, so it's not fully accurate to say he's alumni of "BYU-Idaho" since it implies he got some sort of degree (in fact he did most of his college work at the University of Utah with some at BYU). There is some discrepency as to whether the name change from Ricks Academy to Ricks Normal College happened in 1917 or 1918 based on the info on the pages for Marion G. Romney and George S. Romney compared to the history from BYU-Idaho. Even if the name change did occur in 1917, that only meant it had an additional year of teacher training (hence "normal school") and the high school portion was still functioning. The name change in 1923 to Ricks College marked the beginning of the era where the school was an actual institution of higher learning. If anyone has additional insights or sources (outside the BYU-Idaho history on their website), please add them for further clarification. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Student Activities edit
I am proposing we bring the organizational and historical overview of the Student Activities article in and create a section on the Activities Program or integrate it into the Culture section. Thoughts? --Camrow (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- No, I think what's on the page currently is sufficient. (Thanks for consulting with others, though...something few rookie editors do.) What does need attention, though, is that the current information, as it is, needs to be supported by reliable sources. Furthermore, the main article for Student Activities has some serious issues regarding reliable sources, possible conflicts of interest, and original research. I'm grateful for the contribution, but we have to follow the rules (see WP:POLICY). Best regards --Eustress (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Refs edit
It looks like about 2/3 of the refs in this article are from BYU-I, which would not pass GAN. Any help in eradicating this issue and updating refs to WP:Cite web format would be appreciated. --Eustress (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)