Talk:Brianne Siddall

Latest comment: 8 years ago by AngusWOOF in topic Crystal Acids

Sourcing

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Is there a reason why, Norozco1, you keep adding content to this article without supporting it with reliable sources? You've run into some pushback before because many of your edits have been unsourced. Don't you suppose a new article warrants extensive sources both to help establish notability but also to ensure the accuracy of the content you are adding? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Well, since you put it that way, then i guess we can give a shot and see how it goes from here, and besides, i'm just trying to bring back the article that was previously deleted back in june, because if i do that, then maybe someone out there, he or she just might accept my request, and then re-add the article right back on the wikipedia web, and this time, it'll be better then ever, and after that, everything will be back to the way it was before deletion ever happen in the first place, and i can tell from the looks of it that the editors would want to edit this article, and they would be completely eagered to add new datas, new sources, and new references to the article, to make sure that this article stays on for good, and to make sure that this article should never end up being deleted from this site ever again, that is my hope to say the least, but wouldn't you agree too, Cyphoidbomb? :-) Norozco1 (talk) 03:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
Your ambitions are lofty, but you need to provide sources or else the article will get stalled again. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
And how am I suppose to do that, there are lots of sources related to her, and I'm starting to get to the point that I can't do this all by myself, and I'm gonna have to acquire some help sooner or later, ya know? :/ Norozco1 (talk) 11:39, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
The same way anybody would do it. Go and find sources, and add them to the article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
Well, if you say so, then i guess I'll give it a try, but it won't be easy though, and like i said before, there are lots of sources to search for, so this process might take some time to get finished, but i'll see what i can find out, and check if this will be qualified, ok. :-) Norozco1 (talk) 20:39, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • @Cyphoidbomb: @Norozco1: I'm lobbying to have this restored. True, there aren't a ton of secondary RS about her but we do have confirmation that she's performed as a major character in several notable shows, films, and games. While no, there's not a ton of secondary coverage, Siddall should pass as a notable actress for these roles alone. The thing about VA roles is that while the series themselves will get reviews, accolades, and other coverage in secondary RS, few of these sources will specifically highlight the voice actor - even if this person is voicing the major role, as is the case with .hack//Sign. Siddall voiced the character of Tsukasa for 25 episodes and returned to voice him again in four video games. This is four out of five of the games in the .hack video game series, which is notable enough for its own article. She also voiced the character of Tommy in almost 50 episodes of the main Digimon series and also voiced him in the theatrical film. Both the film and the movie have articles and Tommy is a major character in the show and film. She also voiced one of the Digimon, Calumon, for about the same amount of episodes, two films, and a video game. There are other characters as well, such as Myōjin Yahiko for Ruroni Kenshin (24 episodes), Young Elk from Arc the Lad (26 episodes), and so on.
Basically, the notability in this situation is there. She's voiced major characters for various series that merit their own page and have received coverage in English. What needs to be discussed here isn't notability since she is notable and this is a situation where WP:IGNORE actually qualifies. She's notable per WP:NACTOR and the series/games/movies themselves have coverage and we can see that her roles were major ones and not one offs. The real thing that needs to be discussed is WP:BLP in that since there aren't a ton of secondary sources that cover her specifically, the article will need to be watched like a hawk to ensure that nobody inserts biographical data that cannot be confirmed by a reliable source. We need to look at the available data and discuss things like whether or not something is cited in a place considered reliable. For example, ANN would be usable as far as her DOB goes, as it's listed on her database profile on the site. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 09:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

I was asked by multiple advocates for this draft to take a second look at this. I stand by the decision that it should remain deleted. While it looks like they might get a marginal pass on entertainer, the verifyability is still a problem that has not been addressed. Anything else is just window dressing around the case. Because wikipedia is not supposed to be a data dump of all the roles or temporary guest startings someone has been involved in, we're going to discount the Vilmography in terms of contributing to the article. All we're left is with a short stub that barely meets the inclusion guidelines. 2 of the 4 references in this short stub paragraph are in the context of her accident on the set of NCIS:LA. The others are a user contributed biography page for an Anime Convention Index (which is not reliable) and a general dump of the characters she may have played (with some confirmed characters) with no real useful biographical data. In short, this article does not make a good enough justification once we remove the database dump components. I see no reason to not farm it out to a Anime/Voice actor wikkia, but I do not think it belongs in enWP. Hasteur (talk) 12:14, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

  • Well... the content has been verified to a certain extent by databases like the ANN. There's no questioning that she's performed in these roles, at least the very major ones. If these roles were live action she'd have received more coverage, as these roles are the equivalent of starring in a major theatrical film or TV series. This is one situation where we really need to look at the notability of the series themselves rather than what coverage Siddall has received because the VA world is notorious for not receiving a ton of coverage unless you were a big name star to begin with. Just the .hack and Digimon series are overwhelmingly notable and Siddall voiced recognizable characters in each one. Heck, the character of Tommy (Digimon) even has toys for him, as does Tsukasa from .hack. This is one situation where insisting on sourcing really puts us at a disservice because this person is someone who has voiced several extremely well known characters in the animation world, yet for whatever reason hasn't ever gained coverage. We know that she has voiced major roles in shows that are considered to be notable and of importance in the anime world (.hack//sign is of mid-importance for anime, as is Digimon). If she'd been an actor in live action shows like Game of Thrones or Big Bang Theory, there'd be no question about her notability, but then if she'd been as major of a character in live action shows there'd absolutely be coverage. I'll have to see what Spartaz thinks and if he declines, I'm taking it to DRV. This is one of those very, very rare situations where the rules are standing in the way of us having an article for someone who would pass notability guidelines for her major roles. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 13:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Hasteur: Yeah, she's right, cause this is exactly one of the reasons why this article has to be put back, and not go through this process of being deleted again! :-( Norozco1 (talk) 14:02, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
If this article gets restored to mainspace, I will nominate it for Deletion as it still suffers the problem of verified prose. Hasteur (talk) 19:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
I would consider Rob Paulsen as a good example of what qualifies a good Voice Actor BLP. This isn't even close. Hasteur (talk) 19:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Hasteur: Ok, but here's my examples of what qualifies a good voice actor BLP as well, and that my friend is Yuri Lowenthal and Steven Blum, this is exactly close to this, ya know! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Norozco1: Those are absolutely horrid examples, and should be cleaned up (as I've indicated by tagging them for cleanup). If you try to make an WP:OSE argument using those, the only thing you're going to get is paralell deletion nominations for the same reason. Hasteur (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Hasteur: Did you just imply the articles for Yuri Lowenthal and Steven Blum, two of the most well known voice actors alive, should be nominated for deletion? Maybe you should consider what Wikipedia is actually for and not base this website's content on whatever irrelevant policies you're citing. This article is fine, well-written and verifiable on a notable subject and should be restored immediately. - 50.189.129.250 (talk) 15:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
What do you mean by well-written? It's still a stub! There's one paragraph mostly talking about her accident, and one line that says what she is notable for. The rest is a mostly unsourced filmography. That's hardly any progress since the request last year to make this a real article. As for Steve Blum and Yuri Lowenthal, they easily pass notability for their lead roles in anime, animation, and video games. This article has yet to demonstrate that. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:32, 14 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
@AngusWOOF: OK, I see your point, but it's still a work in progress, and besides, this person who pinged Hasteur is right, cause i'm really trying to find some biography to make it, and making it good enough to pass the notability system, ya know?! :-/ NJOrozco 04:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I agree these are horrid examples for the biography section as a single line in the lead paragraph for Steve Blum, followed by several paragraphs of credits dumping, hardly shows why the actor was important, and does hardly anything to show notability. [1] But this shouldn't be why you had to make me gut Steve Blum's filmography when Rob Paulsen's filmography has just as many "Additional voices" and almost all unsourced roles. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
how exactly are they horrid examples exactly, and that's not the point i'm trying to make here, cause i'm trying to cleaning up and manage this situation as well, not to make it worse, besides, I wouldn't dream of using those since pointed them out of the blue, so if you think this article suffers the problem of verified prose, I would disagree t that statement. :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 20:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • I still think that we need to give weight to the English language dubs she's done for the very, very notable shows, films, and games she's done. Here's a question/thought: she's been in things that have received coverage in English, specifically for the dubbed versions of the productions. Shouldn't those reviews be usable to show notability for her if the character she's performing is the main character for the series, even if the reviews do not explicitly mention her? The reason for this is that a lot of the reviews will not highlight specific actors but will instead cover the story and voice acting as a whole. For example, this ANN review of .hack does mention the cast and the character that Siddall plays, Tsukasa. The dubbing for this character is actually specifically mentioned at one point in the review:
Some of their performances start rocky but improve over time (like Tsukasa), some are consistent throughout, and some, like Crim in particular, pretty much always seem like they're reading lines from a script.
I'm going to add this to the article and argue for its usability as something that would give notability. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:11, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
You can look at Kari Wahlgren's article to see how I have integrated review sources into her bio. I went a bit overboard with a review for each major item; that isn't really required, but the point is she needs to have a bio first and not a filmography to show she is notable. Or consider Tara Strong and Nancy Cartwright, the latter is known mainly for one role, so that has a big section of prose on just that character and her involvement as other characters on that show. More Prose, Less Table. The accident section does not need to be in the lead; the news articles there are helpful to point out what roles she is most notable for in voice acting from the perspective outside the voice-acting world. The reason I attack the filmography first is because it gives me a framework to determine what are a voice actor's major roles and makes writing a biography easier. But that's for ones that have already established notabllity. However in this actor's case, the biography needs to first show it meets WP:ENT and supplied with secondary reliable sources. A few decent paragraphs showing her starring roles, coupled with feedback from reviews, and any awards she might have gotten, would go a long way. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
The Tsukasa one is okay as a start. The Digimon ones you listed aren't that good. The first only critiques the voices of the villains as having different accents like Southern belle, Old English, and that the characters have zero depth. If she voices the "smurfette" in that show then it's borderline. The THEM Anime Reviews critiques the dub job as a whole, with its half-assed translations of character names. It doesn't pick out Brianne's character to note her acting. Can only be used to show that her character (Tommy) is confirmed to be a main character. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
@AngusWOOF: ok, I see your point, but how should I deal with this situation so that the article meets the notability requirements exactly?! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 23:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Well for one thing, it needs those statements that Tokyogirl79 and you have been saying. "She plays the lead character Tsukasa in .hack//sign, a girl who (brief description of Tsukasa).(source for reviews) (description of how she portrayed the character)." Digimon should be a full paragraph: "In (Digimon), she voiced (major characters and their role in the series). The show ran for xx episodes on (well-known TV network). (review of her character) In (next Digimon) she reprised her role as (character) and also voiced (new characters). In (year), she voiced (characters) , (discuss popularity of digimon because of her roles in the series) (add digimon the movie) Under the alias Ian Hawk (not to be confused with Ian Hawke of the Alvin and the Chipmunks live-action movies in the late 2000s), she voiced the lead role Jim, the teenage(?) kid, in Outlaw Star, which ran on Cartoon Network's Toonami block. (review of outlaw star). Add verbiage about her role in Samurai X as Yoshi Myojin and which dubs she did (so as not to confuse with Wendee Lee's roles). Add Arc the Lad, if she has a lead role there? Is Young Elk a main character? What about A Little Snow Fairy Sugar? She's in 20+ episodes. Bon in Mars Daybreak might be harder to elaborate. 20 episodes but not a main character? Are you sure? Add Remmy to the list. She's a main. Gen is a supporting but notable role for Black Heaven. Al Izuruha is notable for Gundam 0080. I think one of the reviews I had posted earlier is where I confirmed her alias. Add Ikariya in Hand Maid May. Talk about her roles in Power Rangers. (next pargaraph) Her popularity on (list of shows) brought her to many anime conventions in 2004–05 including Anime Boston, (list of conventions). Add detail on video games. She's in that Xenosaga trilogy and the Atelier series multiple times. If she's Tsukasa and other major characters in the .hack video games, that is notable as well. next paragraph: In addition to voice acting, she has been working as (crew roles) in such shows as (....) (next paragraph: discuss the accident, and surgery in 2015 if that also made news). (add personal life section: Siddall is married to Deven Chierighino. (wedding date and family/children if available). They live in (list residence here). Her activities outside of the acting world include doing triathlons and marathons (event details and blog data) Also when does she use the name Brozey, timewise and for what projects? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Here's one for Metropolis. [5] and here's another by [6]. Unfortunately they are from blogs, but it's the kind of level of what I expect to see from reviews. This one for Metropolis is by ANN's Allen Divers [7] and one from Cinema Blend [8] and AnimeFringe [9] Might be usable, but it covers the entire cast instead of her specific role. And for official listing you can use NYTimes.com [10] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 01:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ok, I get thanks for the suggestions, I'll see what I can do about putting the sources on the article, ok! :) Norozco1 (talk) 02:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Brianne will be at the Hospital in may

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hey everyone, i just got some news that Brianne Siddall is going to be at the hospital in may, check in out: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-03-26/digimon-.hack-sign-voice-actress-brianne-brozey-underwent-5-hour-surgery-after-accident/.86373 i don't know about you, but somehow, this is a second reason why we have to do this, ya know! :'-( Norozco1 (talk) 20:38, 29 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

What? Your argument is that we need to convert this to a draft article because she had back surgery in May 2015? Not helpful, Norozco. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
I have no idea what you're asking. You wrote somehow, this is a second reason why we have to do this, ya know! Please explain what you meant by that, because to me, it sounds like you're suggesting that we should move an article to live space because Siddall had back surgery. If that's what you are saying, that doesn't make any sense. If that's not what you are saying, you didn't properly express yourself. Either way, I don't understand how your comment is helpful. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • @Cyphoidbomb: oh, is that all, well, the second reason is that you guy give up article too easily, and should let this one a chance to get the notability that this kind of article deserves, so does that help explain on what I meant by this?! :) Norozco1 (talk) 02:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Nope. Doesn't help at all. If you think anyone here can help interpret what you mean by the following, I would sure like to comprehend it: hey everyone, i just got some news that Brianne Siddall is going to be at the hospital in may ... i don't know about you, but somehow, this is a second reason why we have to do this, ya know! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:33, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ok, I know the news I found was a few months old, but the details on it has some interesting fact at more details on her, and at the time, I thought she wasn't going to make it and had to take action. However, knowing that she she's alright, I'm glad. So in hindsight, this gave me the motivation to bring back this article even more. On the other hand, there was going to be more news that would've explain how the procedure went, but sadly, no news hasn't appeared after that! :( So did that clear things up now?! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 06:14, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Can Facebook, twitter and Youtube be use as actual reliable sources for this article?!

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hey guys, i was just wondering since all voice actors and actresses have Facebook, twitter and Youtube accounts, so does this that Brianne Siddall could have these accounts to confirm this as this as well?! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Besides, the Facebook/Twitter posts and resume information from Brianne could be there to identify roles she considers notable to her career, and are acceptable as a reliable source about themselves per WP:SELFPUB. I just don't know if we should add or not add the Facebook ones that are redundantly covered by her Facebook photo album and stuffed that source in the upper right corner. However, the individual entries should and will be backed up by other primaries such as cite episodes, cite video games, or secondary news sources such as cast announcements which confirm actual credits. :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 06:57, 14 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

So if anyone would like to comment out the Facebook and Tweets a confirmation of any shows as well, then that would be great. However, the entries should still stay there because of notability, but they should then be cited with game and show credits. The unsourced credits that she has not acknowledged or have very little notability should be removed. :-) Norozco1 (talk) 07:00, 14 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Okay, you just copied what i posted regarding Cristina Vee, so I will clarify. I would only use Facebook, Twitter, and Resume to identify which roles she considers notable to her own career, and keep those entries in the list with a reference in the corner. But again, this isn't what Brianne's article needs. She needs a biography and references to secondary independent reliable sources that show her notability. Otherwise this article will never get out of DRAFT status. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 07:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
@AngusWOOF: @AnimeDisneylover95: @Tokyogirl79: Hey guys, i think i might've found a lead on the summary for this article, including more thing that we didn't know about her, plus a confirmation that she was under the alias as Jetta E Bumpy, check it out:

Hope it helps clear things up, cause these might be useful for this article, ya know! ;) NJOrozco 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


You've only shown that she has an African grey bird named Jetta. It doesn't say what Jetta's full name is, or that she has claimed that she uses that name for any projects. Her twitter is protected so that doesn't give any new information worthy of external link other than that she has a bird named Jetta, which I suppose is nice for her Personal life section. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
@AngusWOOF: Oh, believe me it's very nice indeed, But the summery of her biology shows some kind of detail, and yet, it's really hard to put it into words, ya know! :/ NJOrozco 00:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
@AngusWOOF: @AnimeDisneylover95: @Tokyogirl79: Hey guys, I found a perfect reliable source of information from the World Public Library, now all we need is for someone to email this source, and we're good to go! ;) NJOrozco 23:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Back to the Draft

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The article still isn't ready for a regular yet. Information needs to be added to the lead regarding her important roles and notability, and nothing significant has been added to improve the article. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:35, 15 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Okay that's fine with you Angus you don't want the article to be made, but the reason why their isn't many articles/interviews of Brianne Siddall is because it didn't garner BIG attention since last year on ANN. Honestly the news articles from ANN or any Convention related bio are the reliable source for information on a voice actor that doesn't have an article on this site. So that's fine if you don't want the article to be submitted but this needs to be settled and resolved!!--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 17:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
It's close, but you need to convince the reviewers that it is ready, so please write up the lead and highlight her significant roles. Saying she voices in Digimon isn't telling anybody anything. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've subbed this for consideration. Thanks for adding the lead paragraph. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome AW! ;) NJOrozco 15:34, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Confirmation of pseudonym?

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I stumbled on this page while trying to find confirmation of whether "Murray Blue" is a confirmed pseudonym for Brianne Siddall/Brozey. Does anyone working on this page have a solid citation for this? Thanks. 38.108.59.142 (talk) 03:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Why yes there is, and here's some links to prove it, check it out, ok:
Hope it helps good buddy! ;-) NJOrozco 04:10, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, they are not helping much. The Facebook link goes to a page that is not displaying -- perhaps the permissions are limited to only certain viewers? The link to her profile on Voice Over Universe doesn't seem to say anything about Murray Blue. Is there a link that should be followed from there to see it? Thanks; I appreciate it. 38.108.59.142 (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh well, on the Facebook, she's with Doug Stone, plus on her BTVA website, credits from the movie also proves it, ya know! ;-) NJOrozco 06:25, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure how being in a photo with Doug Stone would prove a specific alias for her. But, without being able to see it, I guess that's mute. As for the BTVA credits, which ones are you referring to as proving the alias of Murray Blue? I didn't see many credits listed there -- just projects she's booked. Elsewhere, I have found at least one project that both Murray Blue and Brianne Siddall are credited for doing the same character (but in different episodes). This could point to it being an alias, but it could also mean that the studio hired two different people with a similar sound for that character. 38.108.59.142 (talk) 19:40, 20 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Murray Blue voices the title character Thunder (as well as Dylan) in Thunder and the House of Magic. BTVA has a green check-mark to Brianne Siddall's page. [11] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I like how BTVA gives a screenshot of the credits as a source for the ones having green check-marks. The credits they cite show Murray Blue, so I presume that is a recognized enough alias for them to consider it validated as Brianne. I'm still curious about their source, but that cite seems to carry more weight than the fan blogs I'd come across before. Thanks to both of you! 38.108.59.142 (talk) 22:05, 20 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
With this info, should the page for Thunder and the House of Magic be updated? 38.108.59.142 (talk) 22:08, 20 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Definitely, and updating this article as well, since I gathered enough info to make a biography section now, and putting new citation to confirm on some anime shows, ya know! :) NJOrozco 23:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I only consider BTVA reliable when they check mark the role with a screenshot. The side-by-sides and unchecked roles are not confirmed at all. Even the ones where they do voice samples. No check mark means not verified. Also as long as it's not self-identified (blog or tweet saying I voice this character). If you want to know why they think they are the same you can ask your question over at BTVA. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 04:45, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

This might be connected to your research, but I saw this thread on IMDB recently [12] which was discussion whether she was involved with Signing Time's project "Rachel and the Treeschoolers". My speculation is that they might know each other because Emilie Brown (and Cameron Clarke) was a voice actor in LA back in the 1980s and 1990s when they were on projects such as Outlaw Star. Although they do not record together as it was anime instead of cartoons, Emilie voiced Melfina and Brianne voiced Jim. Also the IMDb thread said that Brianne had her name as Simon on episode 1 but not episodes 2-7 which were done under Murray Blue. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 04:54, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

ok, I understand! :) NJOrozco 05:37, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Question about filmography sources

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I've verified some filmography myself by checking the credits on specific episodes. How should these be cited? Are screen caps needed? 38.108.59.142 (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

You can use {{cite episode}}. See the examples already in the article. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:05, 23 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Okay, I gave that a try. Please double check my entry -- it was for her work on "Rachel & the TreeSchoolers" 38.108.59.142 (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I trimmed it down to just the first two episodes and left the rest as an embedded note. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:52, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
Ok, fair enough! :) NJOrozco 20:57, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Women

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Hey guys, i just Added WP:WikiProject Women template; genfixes (task 10), so for reason is that the article could be more important then anyone have ever thought! :) NJOrozco 18:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Crystal Acids

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A lot of the role sourcing is from the Crystal Acids website. Is this a reliable source? It's hard to tell from the site itself. --Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel14:52, 7 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

It's in debate now over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Online_reliable_sources#Crystal_Acids. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)Reply