Talk:Brexit negotiations

Currently we don't have a section on the Irish backstop???

I came to this article looking for some material on the final form of the backstop (all UK in the CU, NI also in the SM) that I could use in the Irish backstop article. I was rather surprised that we don't have anything, especially when it was one of just three strands that had dedicated negotiations. (Brexit negotiations in 2018 sort of has it but it is not easy to get the essentials). I've been too involved in revising and concising {sic?) the Backstop article to do this as well, so would someone else care to write a summary here?

World Trade Organization vs World Trade Organisation

I have just seen that World Trade Organisation has been renamed as World Trade Organization.

Is this British? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.216.144 (talk) 15:25, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

No, they have always spelt it with a Z. Wikipedia just copies. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:29, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

It's a proper noun and thus not adjusted to suit local spelling conventions. IceWelder [✉] 14:49, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

New post-Brexit Brexit negotiations

There are still negotiations. We need to figure out how to best handle these. An IP user have made this draft of an article about the new negotiations. I think it is of sufficient quality to promote to mainspace, which I will do in some days time, unless some objects (pinging Sulfurboy). We need to find a better name, thought, because the talks are not just about trade.

But how do we integrate it into this article? Does "Brexit negotiations" only refer to the withdrawal negotiations? Or should we rename this to something like "Brexit withdrawal negotiations", and then call the other something like "Brexit partnership negotiations", and should "Brexit negotiations" then be a disambig or an overview article? I don't know, what do other think? ― Hebsen (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

"Post-Brexit negotiations in 2020"? (which maybe we should have anyway, for the same reason as we have Brexit negotiations in 2017, 18, 19, because the blow-by-blow and sabre-rattling detail just clogs the main article). How about a simple "UK/EU trade negotiations"? Was there an article for the Canada/EU or Japan/EU negotiations? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Pre-Brexit negotiation were mainly the negotiation of, if you allow my a pleonasm, a Brexit withdrawal agreement, that is a UK/EU Withdrawal agreement negotiation.

That agreement, its political declaration, plans an ambitious, broad, deep and flexible partnership covering trade, economic cooperation and security.

In the EU it is named: Negotiation rounds on the future partnership between the European Union and the United Kingdom https://ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-united-kingdom-forging-new-partnership/future-partnership_en

It could be created as UK-EU partnership negotiation, or to use the trademark: UK-EU post-Brexit partnership negotiation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.214.49 (talk) 17:01, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

It is not a draft: Trade deal negotiation between the UK and EU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.214.49 (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

And it is in serious need of copyediting, I don't have time now, could others oblige? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Out of date

@John Maynard Friedman: I have to say I concur with Jarrod Baniqued that this article could do with some updating, and I think having the tag there to remind us is helpful. Aside from the "Fisheries" section, which was already tagged, we also have lots of other speculation from the 2016 to 2019 period which it would be helpful to add context to with hindsight. Which of the predictions were valid and which were not, as we see it in 2023. Also, quite a number of statements written in in the wrong tense, e.g:

• "EU negotiators have stated that an agreement must be reached between Britain and the EU by October 2018"
• "The UK benefits from a rebate which reduces its contribution to the EU budget"
• "The British Government's estimate of the financial settlement in March 2019 is £37.8 billion"

etc. The whole article could do with a fine-comb walk-through with latest sources.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru: usually a global {{update}} tag at the top of the page means "add information about recent developments" so I thought you meant e.g., the Windsor Framework, Ford, Vauxhall owner and JLR call for UK to renegotiate Brexit deal, etc., which are "post-Brexit negotiations". For the cases such as those you mention, you really need to tag them individually using {{update needed}}. And ideally get started on fixing them. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I suppose so. I don't really have time to work on this right now unfortunately, but I just got the impression that the article generally had ground to a halt in early 2020, with no reference to subsequent developments and scholarship. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

You are certainly not wrong there. I guess too many editors had lost the will to live by then. Is there a completer finisher in the house? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)