Talk:Breton nationalism and World War II

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For reference, the original French article is: fr:Le nationalisme breton et la Seconde Guerre mondiale

Why is half of this article in French?

Half of this article is in French, why?

Amlder20 22:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Just to note that this translation is very heavy going. The original French assumes a lot of previous knowledge of a quite specialist aspect of WW2 history. It goes into a lot of detail of the activities of some very small and marginal political groups. In its current state it does not give enough background for an encyclopedia article. I would suggest that the article should be shortened for an English-speaking readership. Itsmejudith 20:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see someone else working on this article! I agree it's quite a slog, I had to consult a lot of the French WWII articles for some context. BTW, I noticed that you changed my translation of "à partir de 1943, la Gestapo avait créé"... the original French is somewhat confusing to me. Does it indicate that the formation of these units began in 1943, or that it had just gotten underway? Just want to double-check. MOXFYRE (contrib) 21:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It really means "from 1943 onwards", but some writers would use the phrase to mean "in 1943", and I suspect that's what it means here. Itsmejudith 12:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

POV?

I added the POV-check tag. I am concerned that we don't have a range of sources for this article. While it is obviously written by someone who is very knowledgeable on the topic, as I read it more, I'm wondering whether it is essentially an apology for collaborationist positions taken during WW2. Perhaps from a historian's point of view, previous histories were too hard on the Breton nationalists and there may be some logic in seeking to correct that. But Wikipedia is probably not the appropriate place for such wrongs to be righted. The more people who can read and comment on this article, the better. Itsmejudith 21:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed... the original French version seems to have been written by just one person, and I definitely thought there was some POV in it. MOXFYRE (contrib) 22:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

There was a BBC programme on Brittany — at least couple of decades ago, but I remember it because I found it eye-opening — which asserted that after WWII many Breton nationalists were falsely accused of collaboration and imprisoned by the French government, as a means of getting rid of them.

Of course I realise this means nothing unless I can produce the programme; but none the less, I see no vestige of this information in the current article, and I can't help wondering if we're just getting the official French version. Does anyone better acquainted with the subject than I recall this programme? In particular, its title? Although I'd be surprised if it hasn't sunk without trace. Paul Magnussen (talk) 17:36, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

"Resistance"

The word "resistance" is used in this article to refer to a bunch of different things: the French Resistance led by De Gaulle that everyone knows about, Breton resistance to the Germans, Breton/German resistance to allied forces, and even Breton resistance to the French resistance (I think). Any suggestions on how to clarify this? MOXFYRE (contrib) 22:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

We should restrict the term to the Resistance with a capital R - i.e. the organized movement against the Nazi occupation - and use that capital letter. Arguably, though, there were different groups, not all recognizing de Gaulle as their leader. For example, the article refers to the Communists in the Resistance, and they were organized in their own structures, without much reference to London. Except at the end when they were part of the Liberation of Paris. Itsmejudith 15:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense. I've done that. The English article on the French Resistance doesn't clearly separate the communists from the Gaullist-led Resistance, but the French article has a section on the communist Resistance. MOXFYRE (contrib) 17:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

"Other militants accused of collaboration demonstrated to the courts that they had protected Jewish families during the occupation (Alan Eon–Yann Goulet)[citation needed]." That's nonsense. The collaboration trials were about treason, persecution of the Jews wasn't the main topic it has become in recent years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saciperere (talk • contribs) 15:05, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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