Talk:Breidablik

Is this mythology? If so, please state

...In mythology? In what? :S -- Sam — Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 9 February 2003 (UTC)

Requested move 22 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:03, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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Breidablik → Breiðablik – Convention is to use the non-anglicised version of the name for example in Skaði, Þrúðvangr and Útgarða-Loki. Ingwina (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:16, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME based on the Google Ngrams. We should be using the most common English name for all of these titles. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. We use the correct orthography in cases like this. This is not a COMMONNAME question. COMMONNAME is what tells us whether to use David Johansen or Buster Poindexter; it has nothing to do with typographic style questions.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:15, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
• If this article is renamed Breiðablik, what should the dab nom initially created at Breiðablik be renamed? Breiðablik (disambiguation)? Breidablik (resulting in a page swap)? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

  This would be my intention if I understand you correctly. Breiðablik as the main page, Breiðablik (disambiguation) for disambiguation and Breidablik as a redirect to the main page. Ingwina (talk) 07:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

• Support the correct spelling (after all this isn't the blonde Serbian ex-tennis player who here on en.wp can't have her surname spelled fully like all other Serbians...) but PAGEVIEWS suggest Breiðablik (mythology). Everything else should go to the dab. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

  My rationale against the "(mythology)" is that the mythological hall came first and is the reason the others have the name, just as "Thor" is the page about the god rather than "Thor (mythology)", even though say "Thor (film)", even though the latter gets more visits. I'm less fussed about this though - my main qualm is the orthography. Ingwina (talk) 08:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and Ngrams cited by Rreagan007. We have Odin not Óðinn; when Norse typography is used, it's because it's used in English as well, or when there isn't a clear English common name, but there is in this case. Skadi/Skathi should probably be moved as well so if there's a consistency argument to be made, it'd go the other way. SnowFire (talk) 02:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support. This form Breiðablik could be anglized a few different ways, and this is partially why scholars overwhelmingly stick to Old Norse forms when discussing them (with a few exceptions that have become standard in English, like the form Thor). :bloodofox: (talk) 20:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Rreagan007 and SnowFire. There are six entries listed upon the Breiðablik disambiguation page, with two of those entries using the Breidablik / Breidablick form, thus confirming that an Anglicized version of the letter "ð" is in common English usage. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

The most commonly used form would be the Old Norse form. In this case, it's primarily scholars who have discussed this topic over the years, and they generally use the Old Norse form (for example, Simek's handbook or any number of scholastic papers discussing Baldr). :bloodofox: (talk) 16:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I second this. In the research I did when rewriting the page, "Breiðablik" was by far the most common form in academic papers. Anglicisations were mostly only seen in translations of texts, when the name wasn't literally translated (which was roughly as common). Ingwina (talk) 09:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Argument-wise, there is a split on whether to use the proper spelling vs. a more common (but not Old Norse) spelling. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:16, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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