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"Breaking bad"

Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I never understood what "breaking bad" meant, until I read this article, and saw that it said "to raise hell". However, twice since then I've seen it in other contexts, and both times it connotated that when someone "broke bad", they proved themselves untrustworthy, or showed their true colors in a negative way. This seems to make a lot more sense to me, regarding the entire show. Not sure what "raising hell" has to do with any of it. Unfortunately I forget exactly where I read it now, but I remember the exact phrasing was "he's never broken bad with me", meaning he's never given me reason to mistrust him, etc.AnnaGoFast (talk) 04:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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"Black Comedy?"

Latest comment: 6 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

That certainly needs elaboration.

Imagine if I slug around other ethic slurs on here. 24.51.217.35 (talk) 06:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

There's two black guys in the whole show (one says only two lines), and it's not a commedy. 24.51.217.35 (talk) 06:24, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I suggest actually reading the article for black comedy (since you appear to misunderstand its actual meaning) as well read the various reliable sources supporting its inclusion. Thank you. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:07, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Objectively greatest show of all time?

Latest comment: 5 years ago7 comments6 people in discussion

There is footnote 5 showing sources for that bold claim. However there should be accompanying mention that other more objective sources do not make that finding. I list sources.

I chose 5 popularly credible sites (who use objective methods, not writer opinions) that I would consider to have authoritative weight (and no, huffingtonpost is not one of them): tvguide.com imdb.com ranker.com rottentomatoes.com metacritic.com

As of the time I type this these respectively placed it 9th, 2nd, 4th, ?th, and tied with 3 others for 1st

FYI, if you're curious, as of the time I type this, firsts were respectively Sopranos; Game of Thrones; Simpsons; ?; and The Larry Sanders Show, Season 4 / Murder One: Season 1 / The Larry Sanders Show: Season 6 / Breaking Bad: Season 5

http://www.tvguide.com/news/tv-guide-magazine-60-best-series-1074962/
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?num_votes=5000,&sort=user_rating,desc&title_type=tv_series
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-tv-shows-of-all-time
? (I could not locate an all time list in rottentomatoes)
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/tv/score/metascore/all/filtered?sort=desc

Look, I loved the show. LOVED it. I'm just calling for objectivity. (If you want subjective, I might say to choose Buffy!)

Furthermore, metacritic (i.e. Guiness) only refers to a single season. If nothing else whatsoever, that should be indicated. Most certainly the phrase "all time" does not belong.

Finally, footnote 5 selects opinions from individual writer-reviewers. Does that really mean anything compared to tvguide, imdb, ranker, rottentomatoes and metacritic, which are aggregators?

I am not an editor so if anyone wants to run with any of this, go nuts70.119.177.3 (talk)

Already discussed here with consensus. Someone tried to rehash it here, but earlier consensus was pointed out.
I don't believe there is anything to discuss. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 09:57, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

If that's all there is to it, fine. I thank all of those who spent significant time considering earlier discussions. I am also impressed at your recollection of them and supplied links. However, the cited earlier discussions were subjectively argumentative. I am suggesting something new, objectively based reconsideration. I know everyone's time is very valuable, but I think a critical read of what I compiled is worthwhile. I know it's long, but save for a time-wasting mention of Buffy (forgive me, excise that sentence!), I put a lot of careful and specific analysis into this talk section. However I'll let it go if experts still feel there's nothing to do here.24.27.72.99 (talk) 09:39, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

yeah definitely a questionable statement - not that i disagree but thats something completely opinion based. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azwick (talk • contribs) 23:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The claim struck me as dubious, as well. Of course it doesn't appear on TV Guide's 50 Greatest TV Shows of All Time, since the list predates the show; but it's telling that the show doesn't appear on Best in TV: The Greatest TV Shows of Our Time either. It might be more neutral to state something like "Several critics claimed that Breaking Bad was the greatest TV show of all time." DavidLeeLambert (talk) 14:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Wholly agree. As it stands, I think that's a rather exaggerated and senseless claim that does not belong in an encyclopedia. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
For information, re the edit summary in this revert, the "hidden comment" is this:
"NOTE: The statement "Breaking Bad is widely regarded as one of the greatest television series of all time" is properly supported by multiple reliable sources in "Critical reception". Per "WP:CITELEAD", statements in the lead do not need to be cited if they repeat properly cited information appearing later in the article; moreover, an editorial consensus needs to be reached before adding any citations to the lead. Please refer to "Greatest Series of All Time??" on Talk:Breaking Bad for a more detailed explanation."
So, I'm not sure why the sources are provided there. The hidden comment says they need not be. Rhe discussion thread that the (undated) hidden note refers to was in 2014 and,, as noted above, can be found at Talk:Breaking_Bad/Archive_2#Greatest_Series_of_All_Time??.It was quite lengthy discussion, but not anWP:RfC. I'm suggesting that the claim, as it stands is not justified. Looking at the sources quoted:
Frazier Moore said "This drama series retired undefeated as TV's best ever." That was five years ago. But he claim is not "greatest television series" but "best drama series";
Allen St John argues his case, but his assessment was made before the series finished? He admits he takes "an alternative take on sports, entertainment and pop culture";
David Bianculli said: "The best — and biggest, and most recent — of the bunch ..." But the bunch was "most exciting recent TV offerings on DVD." not all TV series ever produced;
Unnamed from Yahooo, quotes Tim Molloy, who does indeed say "This is the best show ever made." So yes that's quite a strong claim;
Walter Hickey said it was "considered one of the best television shows ever made.";
Richard Lawson said "We're just gonna come right out and say it: Breaking Bad is The Best Show", So yes, again, that's quite a strong claim;
Maureen Ryan said "... is one of the great shows of television’s Golden Age."
So, apart from New Zealander Molloy, all the critics are American? And do they consider all television shows ever made across the world? Of course not, and neither would they be qualified to judge.
I think the claim made needs to be adjusted, it's really not justified based on just these reviews. But perhaps there are others not yet seen. I'm still rather doubtful that a US TV series, judged only by a relatively small number of US critics, justifies such a huge claim. Even if we could all agree on what "greatest" actually means. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: Late reply, & I agree with your position but your best bet here is to take it to a noticeboard (if you haven’t done so already) since the prior consensus will just get replayed here. That’s if you still care, though, and the strongest argument can be made with regards to WP:UNDUE weight which specifies that claims like ‘widely’ must be supported by the MAJORITY of reliable sources. It’d definitely take some time to extensively google search all of them to skim for ‘greatest’, so it’s certainly up to you. Barely made one (talk) 04:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Illogical definition

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

It says:

The title comes from the Southern colloquialism "breaking bad", meaning to "raise hell" or turn to a life of crime.

"breaking bad" and "to 'raise hell' or turn to a life of crime" are different parts of speech. It does not make any grammatical sense to say that one means the other. Because I am unfamiliar with the expression "breaking bad", I do not know how best to fix it, but possibly the definition should instead say "'raising hell' or turning to a life of crime". 86.141.248.157 (talk) 00:43, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Soft(ly)-spoken

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

This edit changed "soft-spoken" to "softly-spoken". Yes, theoretically an adjective should be modified by an adverb, not by another adjective, but "soft-spoken" is widely used, and it's in my dictionary, while I've never heard "softly-spoken" (or seen it written, until now), and it isn't in my dictionary. I think the edit should be reverted. -- UKoch (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

But there is "softly spoken". So either the hyphen should be deleted, or the edit should be reverted. -- UKoch (talk) 14:47, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
It's been reverted. Crimsonite~enwiki (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
OK. -- UKoch (talk) 15:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles for some Season 3 episodes?

Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I noticed some episodes of Season 3, such as One Minute, have no articles. Is there any objection to me creating an article for at least "One Minute?" As in, has this already been discussed in the past? Hummerrocket (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

I wondered the same thing about sections being added for the episodes not yet included. I'd definitely be interested in helping to contribute to the episode summaries if no one else is currently working on that. Great article! --LauraStephens435 (talk) 03:12, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

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Why does Rian Johnson's opinion matter enough to garner its own section in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.61.27 (talk) 07:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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