Talk:Brazilian Integralism

Reason for reverting

I forgot to explain my third reason for reverting: the principles advocated by Integralism are consistent with those of any Integralism (click the link). In fact, that sort of integration is where the concept acquired its name from. They are also consistent with the non-racialist views the movement held - thus, a single identity would focus on what was expected from all individuals, rather than an ethnic group. Dahn 02:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess that works, however, the article does need to cite its sources better. A claim like that seems to be very exact but has no reference. I have also changed back the "Citation needed" for the flag because there's no source for it (the flag website doesn't mention anywhere that it was derived from the Nazi flag). I also changed "differentiating itself from many forms of the latter" to "differentiating itself from some forms of fascism" because "latter" in that sentence is ambiguous; it could mean fascism or Italian Fascism. Also, to say that "many" fascist movements were rasicst is not necessarily true. Certainly, a good deal of them were but "many" is vague; does it mean about half, most of them, or more than a specific amount? - DNewhall

Yes you are right (and you make the same point about fascism that I had intended - only some were racist). About the swastika flag: since the group was created in 1933, and the flag bears a striking resemblance to the Nazi one, "appears" seems to be an ok word to use (especially since this pattern was used by fascist movements taking direct inspiration). If the movement established its references in European fascism (including Nazi Germany, partly), as evidenced in the rest of the text, a belief that its symbolism was derived from a cultural model is justified (symbolism - it is not implied that anything but symbolism was taken in). It would be highly unlikely that it wasn't the case, and I would think that a reference would be needed were this article to state that it hadn't taken its inspiration from that source. Dahn 03:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

In this case I don't think you can use "appears" because it's your opinion and has no source saying that. While it does look like it could be influenced by the Nazi flag it could also be influenced by any other flag using that design (it's not a terribly unique design). I could add that fascism takes its symbolism from the coat of arms of the canton of St. Gallen, which looks like it could quite possibly be true, but such a statement is incorrect. This flag statement seems to fall under WP:OR and should be removed. - DNewhall

Brazilian Integralism: Fascism or not?

I'm not familiar with this subject myself, but you may be interested in discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fascism -- "Brazilian Integralism IS NOT Fascism" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fascism#Brazilian_Integralism_IS_NOT_Fascism -- Writtenonsand 14:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What a ragtag looking bunch of fools... I would call them lowly rabblerousers not worthy of something as organized as Fascism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.117.24 (talk) 16:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Integralism and Anti-Semitism

This article says that Salgado opposed anti-Semitism. However, the article on Salgado himself says that the Integralism movement was characterized by anti-Semitism, and does not make any exception for him. Which is correct? If the claim in this article is correct, the other article should be fixed, and vice versa. Either way, we need a source, and I suspect the best sources will be offline and/or in Portuguese. PubliusFL 05:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I beleive Christianity (most likely from a fundamentalist viewpoint) was a central tenet of Integralism, which would suggest intolerance of other religions. Weather this would lead to active persecution is another matter. For instance Benito Mussolini was an atheist but in the early days of Italian Fascism there was no real religious persecution, until the alliance with the Nazis and Mussolini's conversion (sincere? i doubt it myself) to Catholcism 86.159.20.246 (talk) 22:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

moved from article

The following is all going to need sourcing before inclusion:

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The attack was in fact, weak and had no popular or militar support.Some militaries saw integralist coup as a way the end Getúlio Vargas dictatorship.

Like communism at the same place and time,integralism was unpopular among militaries and brazilian people.Like communism at the same time,in Brazil, integralism was an elite's movement.Famous brazilian integralists such as D. Helder Câmara , Leonel Brizola , Francisco Santiago dantas among many others famous brazilians, became later famous brazilian communists.

At its time and in fact, even today, brazilian integralism claimed to be an anti-communist movement.Even so, brazilian integralism was a movement anti-americanist, anti-capitalist , statist , had supported price control, oil monopoly, big state companies and many other things, without no difference from a communist movement.With the decadency of brazilian integralism, between 1938 and 1945, the vast majority of former brazilian integralist became famous and powerfull communists.Francisco Santiago Dantas became a state secretay in Brazil, linked to João Goulart.The brazilian bishop D. Hélder Câmara was so nazist in 1930 decade, that his nickname was "D. Hitler Câmara]]".Later, D. Hélder Câmara became supporter of Fidel Castro and the leader of VPR, a violent terrorist organization in Brazil.D. Hélder Câmara became one of the fouders of MST= Landless movemet and PT.Leonel Brizola became from an integralist to a state governor three times.Brazilian left deserves more things than is believed by the mojority of the brazilian people.

Today, brazilian integralism still exists, but it is a weak and powerless movement.

--Stlemur 23:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Merging proposal.

Brazilian Integralist Action should probably be merged into this article. Tradereddy (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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