Talk:Brazilian Adventure

Expedition Members: "Captain John G. Holman (aka Major George Lewy Pingle)"

Captain Holman and Major Pingle are not the same person. Captain Holman is introduced on page 36 of Brazilian Adventure: "Captain John Holman a British resident of Sao Paulo whose knowledge of the interior is equalled by few Europeans, had expressed his willingness to do all in his power to assist us." On page 37 "...Major Pingle - George Lewy Pingle. (That is not his name..)" is described as "...an American citizen, holding - or claiming to hold - a commission in the Peruvian army." In addition, Captain Holman was not a member of the expedition. Page 62; "In this he [Major Pingle] was ably assisted by Captain Holman. To the good offices of this gentleman the expedition in its early stages owed a great deal [...] He accompanied us on the first stages of our journey, and it is with gratitude that I remember his invaluable services." Robert P Connolly (talk) 14:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I suspect "John G. Holman" is also a pseudonym, the name is that of a Mormon who led Mormon pioneers in the 19th Century. There's a little more about the Holman/Pingle matter at Talk:Peter Fleming (writer). DuncanHill (talk) 14:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

John G. Holman may be a Mormon figure from the 19th c, but the Holman in Brazilian Adventure is Captain John Holman, not John G. In Talk: Peter Fleming (writer), Andrew G. Doe says that according to Churchward's book, Holman and Pingle were the same person - until anyone provides a proper reference to this source, I would suggest leaving the Expedition Members section as it is. Robert P Connolly (talk) 14:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I've asked at WP:RD/H if anyone can help. DuncanHill (talk) 15:05, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I've just re-read Churchward's Wilderness Of Fools for the first time in over a decade, and it's crystal clear from the descriptions of his actions therein that Holman was indeed "Major Pingle". Andrew G. Doe (talk) 20:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Overview: "Roger (his former school fag)"

There is no mention in Brazilian Adventure of Roger Pettiward being Peter Fleming's fag when they were at school together, or anywhere else I can find. Page 43, when describing how Roger Pettiward was recruited: "At Eton and Oxford I had known him only by sight." Robert P Connolly (talk) 14:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Christ Church have a page about him, which mentions the expedition, here. DuncanHill (talk) 15:12, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Pettiward was born in 1904, Fleming in 1907. It is therefore impossible that Pettiward could have been Fleming's fag - fags are always junior to the boys they fag for. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fag Robert P Connolly (talk) 08:58, 11 September 2021 (UTC)