Talk:Brazil during World War I
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Rename edit
Does anyone else think that it would sound better if the article was renamed to Brazil during World War I? Deavenger (talk) 04:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- The key consideration should be what phrasing is most intuitive to users. I have no strong sense of which formulation, yours or the current one, is better, or even if there is a third option that dominates these. If we could settle that, I would not object to switching.Acad Ronin (talk) 13:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Removed for now... edit
I removed this to make room for referenced info...would anyone be able to reference it and add it back in somewhere?
Brazil declared war on Germany on 21 October 1917. The declaration was a clear response to German U-boat attacks on Brazilian vessels, primarily in the Atlantic Ocean.
The goal of Germany's U-boat strategy was to impede the supply of materials to the Allies by imposing a Cordon sanitaire. The result was the sinking many Brazilian commercial vessels. On the 5th April 1917, a U-Boat torpedoed the Brazilian ship Paraná, killing three people on board. On 11 April 1917, Brazil cut its diplomatic relations with the Triple Alliance. In retaliation, Brazil arrested 42 German vessels that were in Brazilian ports. Still, this action did not stop U-Boat attacks. On 20 May 1917 a U-Boat sank the Tijuca off the coast of France.
On the 23 October 1917 a U-Boat torpedoed the Brazilian passenger vessel Macau near the Spanish coast and took its captain prisoner. This inflamed Brazilian popular opinion in favor of a Declaration of War against the Triple Alliance.
In Rio Grande do Sul – where there was a strong presence of immigrants from Germany – thousands of people gathered in anti-war demonstrations. However, mobs started to attack Germans sites, such as the “Hotel Schmidt”, the “German Society” and the “Turnebund” club. The premises of the German newspaper, Die Deutsche Zeitung, were raided and its papers were burned. On 1 May 1915, more anti-German demonstrations took place in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.
The Brazilian Government, seeing no alternative, declared war.
Obvious mistakes edit
The article writes:"Although Brazil had quite a few warships, most of them acquired in the large 1904 program (like Although Brazil had quite a few warships, most of them acquired in the large 1904 program (like two dreadnoughts, Minas Gerais and São Paulo, or two scout cruisers, Bahia and Rio Grande do Sul), almost every ship in the fleet was in bad condition, none were equipped with a modern fire-control system and none had submarine-detection equipment. With the exception of three submarines and a submarine tender, every ship in the navy "was run down or hopelessly obsolete."[5]
On 9 August, the Brazilian Naval Division arrived at Freetown to operate with the Royal Navy under the command of Admiral Sheppard. On the night of 25 August, while the Brazilian vessels were approaching the harbor at Dakar, German U-Boats launched a torpedo attack. Fortunately, the torpedoes passed harmlessly between the Brazilian ships, which launched a successful counter-attack using depth charges. The Royal Navy credited the Brazilians with the destruction of a U-boat. [6]"
Well, then Brazilian Navy was far more equiped and trained than today.The two two dreadnoughts, Minas Gerais and São Paulo, were both new, with less than 9 years of construction and strong.The equivalent of these dreadnoughts would be the aircraft-carrier São Paulo.She is about 50 years old, and can't navigate, because she doesn't has fule or parts to nothing.
About the war itself, in Africa, one German submarine was sunk, after successful counter-attack using depth charges, the destroyer Rio Grande do Norte sunk the german submarine, using her cannons, it the firsts fire.So casualties to Brazilian Navy, against a German submarine sunk, killed all its crew.Agre22 (talk) 22:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)agre22
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Translation edit
Section of the article in Portuguese, referring to the country's military involvement in the conflict, translated, with book references added on March 3, 2013. 187.38.116.106 (talk) 05:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
General edit edit
I have given the existing material a general edit, but cannot add extra references as am travelling at present - will pick this up again on my return in mid-April.Davidships (talk) 00:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The article states "The dreadnoughts Minas Geraes and São Paulo ... were some of the major warships of the DNOG". It then goes on to list the vessels comprising this fleet and they are not included. On the portuguese wiki the portuguese version of this article and the article on the DNOG itself both suggest that these ships were not part of the fleet. The articles on the english wiki (Minas Geraes-class battleship, Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes and Brazilian battleship São_Paulo) also suggest that they were not part of the force.
I don't know enough about the subject and don't have access to the source but it looks like an error to me. Anyone have any views?
Bagunceiro (talk) 13:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)